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[Kyan]

I would think a change of Nunh would be of benefit - you wouldn't want to mate with your grandpa, for example.

Also, there is possibly other sections of the U tribe around the globe - not just the faction we see in Southern Thanalan. So, it could be very possible for tribe members to migrate from one group to another.

For example, my character is a nunh of the Viper tribe, who migrated to Eorzea as tia to primarily establish a better territory for the L tribe

[Docent]

you wouldn't want to mate with your grandpa, for example.

Well, could you could even technically mate with your grandpa as far as Sun'qotes go?
I suppose it could happen that a Nuhn loses his spot and manages to win it back 15 or so years later, and thus have a generation sired by his son... Avoiding this is why I assume defeated Nuhns are killed more often than exiled.

If it's the Nuhn who sired you, he's your dad. Mating with him when you get of age, regardless if he sired your mother or not, still makes him your direct father. That can be sound totally gross to us humans.
If he's retired or exiled, you wouldn't mate with your granddad.

Depending on how human or how "lion-like" Sun'qote society is, some things that are hard to consider for us humans might actually be perfectly fine for them. Anyone who manages to stay Nuhn for 30+ years got to have good genes. Wouldn't you want your daughters to have those to help them survive against the hazards of everyday life?

In a society where basic needs is far from assumed (shelter, survival, food, etc.), lots of things take a step before living to see the next day.

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It'd be interesting to see an in-game example of a mi'qote actively trying to seduce her father. For example, we know of a few specific female (and male) characters from the U' tribe in the Forgotten Sands. They don't say if U'Odh Nunh is their father, because we don't see their last names for the most part. They are U'goromuli, U'jughal, U'kahmuli, U'kahzuna, U'khuba Tia, U'konelua, U'linbho the Sand Devil, U'lolamo, U'mollpa, U'napa, U'ndomii, U'rahtalo, U'ralka, U'towali and U'tykha Tia. Seeing as U'Odh has been around for a bit, though, I'm pretty sure most of them would have "Odh" as their last name. I'll have to go take a look in-game and see if any of the female show sign of trying to please/seduce the old man (or maybe some more rebelious ones pinning for either sons)

That said, notice how little importance one's mother is to the Sun'qotes -- they don't take their name. I don't even think the concept of "grandmother" really exists to them because of that. They know who their father is, that's important to them. But otherwise, the "family tree" would be crazy lopsided. Their fathers have only one mother, and can be the father of multiple generations of sisters.

Also worth noting, males don't really keep their father's name. What they keep from them is (usually) the tribe. Unless they become Nuhns of a new tribe, they're pretty much going to inherit the Nuhn title and the entire tribe simply by growing up, helping the tribe prosper (after all, they will inherit it, so it's in their best interest to help out while they're Tia).

[Kyan]

That said, notice how little importance one's mother is to the Sun'qotes.

I would disagree with this, as evidenced by Loonh (from the Amal'jaa Beast tribe quests) and her mother. There is obviously a special connection she shared with her mother, and it makes sense - whilst they may not take any names, it is most likely that a Miqo'te will depend on their mother to be raised, to learn to hunt, to learn the ways of the clan. The tia in the U tribe are seen helping some women find their roles, yes, but they seem to have basic skills passed down by their sisters and probably their mothers in their early years.

Seeing at they are all about the hunt, I would say that their mothers play quite an important role!

Although the U is not a good example of this, lore wise, the nunh is usually not the clan leader (as stated by Ferne in the lore forums in the Miqo'te naming conventions). Meaning women would have a very important role in the leadership side of the clan, too!

Nunh status does not equate to leadership within a tribe, and in fact, very few nunh ever become leaders.