Myth Message being used to excluded players

[Brill_]

I don't care because when I build a farm party, everyone has cleared it 10x+. If you haven't even cleared it once, you don't have the necessary experience on how to recover from mistakes, because those do happen often. Everyone makes mistakes here and there, but the mark of a good farm group is that you can pick up and recover and still clear it almost every attempt.

This is nonsense. Farming parties don't make mistakes. That's why they all say "1 mistake/fail = kick" They expect perfection. Because they are all perfect, there are no mistakes to recover from. Therefore knowing how to recover from mistakes is irrelevant.

[Ellatrix]

Case 1 could have someone that knows the fight, but isn't lucky enough to get in a party with 7 other people that know the fight as well. Statics aren't an option for everyone due to real world obligations.

Case 2 person could have paid for a run, got carried by friends.

Judging a player by whether or not they have a clear is a poor measurement of ones ability.

Someone who has a clear has the ability to get a clear - diligence, friends, or buying a run. Someone who doesn't have a clear has none of those things. That's a pretty good measure. Again, I don't care at all - if you don't have a clear you don't belong in a farm party, period. If someone really wants a win, they will work for it and find a way. Some people have to put in more effort than others.

This is nonsense. Farming parties don't make mistakes. That's why they all say "1 mistake/fail = kick" They expect perfection. Because they are all perfect, there are no mistakes to recover from. Therefore knowing how to recover from mistakes is irrelevant.

I want to think you're being sarcastic, but most likely just bitter.

[Brill_]

Someone who has a clear has the ability to get a clear - diligence, friends, or buying a run. Someone who doesn't have a clear has none of those things. That's a pretty good measure. Again, I don't care at all - if you don't have a clear you don't belong in a farm party, period. If someone really wants a win, they will work for it and find a way. Some people have to put in more effort than others.

Please enlighten me as to how someone who buys a run has the skill for a farm party?

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

Please enlighten me as to how someone who buys a run has the skill for a farm party?

While you're at it, please enlighten me why everyone who has not cleared lack diligence.

[Ellatrix]

Please enlighten me as to how someone who buys a run has the skill for a farm party?

They at least have the ability to find a way to get a clear that doesn't involve wasting the time of other players via lack of experience.

While you're at it, please enlighten me why everyone who has not cleared lack diligence.

Because you haven't put in enough time to clear it, and still haven't? Or spent the time and energy in a way that was not steady progress? Crying about it on forums isn't a productive method to clear stuff, it's just venting and looking for support for what is ultimately an insufficient amount of effort.