Coil 5 changes needed

[Kuwagami]

Then dun even think about trying final coil if u really need echo for 2nd coil

have you even read what I wrote ?

not needed but easier to catch up and then go tackle T10-13

odds are my group started to work on T6 2 days ago, 2 hours on it so far. echo would just push us (dps is slow to start on middle bulb) enough to go through. We have the hang of every mechanic of P1 and P2, our only problem comes from slow dps on middle bulb (lag on free weekend mostly, we still have to re enter).

Echo is not needed and will never be needed. It just helps.

[KarstenS]

Then dun even think about trying final coil if u really need echo for 2nd coil

have you even read what I wrote ?

not needed but easier to catch up and then go tackle T10-13

odds are my group started to work on T6 2 days ago, 2 hours on it so far. echo would just push us (dps is slow to start on middle bulb) enough to go through. We have the hang of every mechanic of P1 and P2, our only problem comes from slow dps on middle bulb (lag on free weekend mostly, we still have to re enter).

No. It would not ease catching up. If your DPS is not high enough to get your described issues away without echo you don't need to enter FCoB. For T10+ you will need really high DPS. Our group DPS was not really bad for SCoB. No second bee (T6). Phase push to alagan field at the end of the last 2 tower set (T8). Phase change to the last phase within the second heavens fall (T9). But at our first time we reached the "Enrage" in T10, the boss still had 23% of life left. Groups that need echo for "clean" kills in SCoB will see no light in what is coming after.

I'll put it this way; if I'm playing a team-based FPS and one of my teammates sucks, it doesn't mean that I lose every round.

As far as I remember, muiltiplayer FPS is PvP. You can't compare PvP with PvE.

[Kuwagami]

No. It would not ease catching up. If your DPS is not high enough to get your described issues away without echo you don't need to enter FCoB. For T10+ you will need really high DPS. Our group DPS was not really bad for SCoB. No second bee (T6). Phase push to alagan field at the end of the last 2 tower set (T8). Phase change to the last phase within the second heavens fall (T9). But at our first time we reached the "Enrage" in T10, the boss still had 23% of life left. Groups that need echo for "clean" kills in SCoB will see no light in what is coming after.

except we won't be in i110 so we'll have more dps, and it's just a way to go faster (and circumvent lag on dps bursts). And tbh, I couldn't care less of other groups' performances. I'd just enjoy echo, that's it.