Locked out of the Duty Finder.

[winxbloom61]

its a game not a friken business seriously stop taking it so serious so what if some withdraws and legit or not it dosnt matter its a online game so you shouldn't take any of the game serious there is no reason to have a system like this your basicly choking what it is to be online with a game by having a system just cuz i withdraw big deal seriosely its a retard system completely stupid and the only ones who agree with this system are complete cry babys over a few seconds longer in a que

[MilesSaintboroguh]

people like you is the reason why we cannot have nice things

[Risvertasashi]

its a game not a friken business seriously stop taking it so serious so what if some withdraws and legit or not it dosnt matter its a online game so you shouldn't take any of the game serious there is no reason to have a system like this your basicly choking what it is to be online with a game by having a system just cuz i withdraw big deal seriosely its a retard system completely stupid and the only ones who agree with this system are complete cry babys over a few seconds longer in a que

Can turn that right back on ya... ~.^

It's a game. People hitting 'withdraw' over and over is a frustration point for many. SE addressed that. Don't take the occasional 30 minute lockout so seriously, especially when you had to hit withdraw 3 times to get penalized.

[Giantbane]

It is a social game, that is exactly why when a party leader is not social and just Q's or a person gets busy and doesnt speak up we get this withdraw issues. you have two options, become more responsable, social and accountable, or incur penalties
This is not messing with PF at all. I have seen no one say "I wont join PF because of this" These penalties are earned, it takes THREE. I have yet to get "one". Its easy to make a PF and ask people if they are ready to Q, 9/10 though your PF is a full party and this entire penalty system doesn't even apply. In fact penalty wise for withdrawing a PF group is SAFER. if anything this will make people want to completely party up.

When you PF and have less then a full group, it takes less then 1 minute to ask if everyone is ready. Its also easy to drop from Q when a member of the party says, gotta do this quick story quest, or crafting this item really quick, or even brb I need to do X, Y or Z.

be social, be responsible, because you are held accountable.

Also just because someone took advantage of a system to fish does not mean it was intended. It just shows that good intentions don't work with people not being held accountable. So make what abuse was happening stop. Unfortunately in order to stop something its alot like a law, people dont just follow them, its because when you break them you get punished. If a ton of people were not abusing this to no end, we wouldnt be talking. The only way to stop someone is to have them accountable for the actions, and let the punishment fit the crime. If you REPEATEDLY do this, after three you get a time out!

Regardless of whether or not there are some makeshift ways to deal with this current system and how it applies to partial groups does not mean it's good. Even with all the communication in a world, a member of the group can make a mistake. But that mistake should be owned by that player alone, it should not affect the entire group. A group withdrawing from the queue has no greater effect on the people they are queued with than an individual withdrawing from the queue. So there is no reason to punish the whole group in this instance other than to cause unnecessary drama.

Doesn't matter, the system is working as intended. It says as plain as day, 3 strikes then you get a lockout, means they gained 3 strikes on their own in that day..you can't overlook that important detaill lol. They also said the strikes doesn't happen in full parties for certain content, only partial.

working as intended doesn't mean the system isn't stupid

This was not a strike that he earned on his own. This was given to him by being in a partial party where someone else is entirely responsible. It's unreasonable. It's unnecessary. And the only purpose it serves is to create animosity and distrust between players.

[Risvertasashi]

working as intended doesn't mean the system isn't stupid

This was not a strike that he earned on his own. This was given to him by being in a partial party where someone else is entirely responsible. It's unreasonable. It's unnecessary. And the only purpose it serves is to create animosity and distrust between players.

It does prevent partial parties from fishing for in progress runs. That said... only applying it to the party leader might work just as well.

[Khyra]

I love how the attitude of so many people is that you should be super paranoid and only party with people you, what, know in RL or something? Never use Party Finder, etc.

Having to worry about joining up to help people giving you strikes is anti-social and anti-party-formation, and just ridiculous. When I first saw the patch notes I thought "meh", until I learned about the group-punishment aspect. So yeah, guess I will be joining fewer parties in the future, thats somehow going to help queues? (Fewer tanks should definitely help, right? :P)

[Giantbane]

It does prevent partial parties from fishing for in progress runs. That said... only applying it to the party leader might work just as well.

You know you can't select the "in progress" option when you queue as a partial group, right? It even mentions this right in the signature of the post you quoted...

[Noata]

you can still fish, its what your fishing for that is different. When i was on a different server a group of my friends on balmung Q'd multiple times over and over till I got matched for my low level dungeon when i was leveling on midgard. They were fishing for Me.

Then Later i moved to balmung. it happens it was an abuse and I was most certainly not the only person this happen for. its one way to abuse it and they pretty much stopped it across the board. That being said, If you join a group what they do good or bad is directly tied to you. even if a stranger withdraws. YOU CHOSE THAT GROUP. You literally cant be forced to join. So yea the penalty applies to your entire group. its not enjoyable but then again you didnt need to join that group. its a risk. Even then its only 1 strike. even if you get super unlucky you have 2 more. Q times for groups are pretty short

[Giantbane]

you can still fish, its what your fishing for that is different. When i was on a different server a group of my friends on balmung Q'd multiple times over and over till I got matched for my low level dungeon when i was leveling on midgard. They were fishing for Me.

Then Later i moved to balmung. it happens it was an abuse and I was most certainly not the only person this happen for. its one way to abuse it and they pretty much stopped it across the board. That being said, If you join a group what they do good or bad is directly tied to you. even if a stranger withdraws. YOU CHOSE THAT GROUP. You literally cant be forced to join. So yea the penalty applies to your entire group. its not enjoyable but then again you didnt need to join that group. its a risk. Even then its only 1 strike. even if you get super unlucky you have 2 more

You're really stretching. Almost nobody does this, and anybody who does moves servers so it stops happening. Thus making it so infrequent that applying the penalty to only one group member is more than sufficient.

[Noata]

I explained how fishing can work outside of in progress, that works with a group. I basically explained exactly WHY a group cant fish and gets a penalty. Their goal was simple. stop fishing, not just one type but FISHING. thats exactly why groups get penalized. ya its less frequent but what good would it be to have a double standard and make a system for stopping fishing that doesn't stop fishing...

You need only answer these. Does this stop fishing? yes!, Does it offer normal players a reprieve from emergencies or something that takes priority. Yes, 2 free withdraws before a penalty. Does it stop people from taking advantage of the fishing system. Yes. the group gets the penalty not just the leader that can pass his role to allow more fishing. Its thought out and rock solid, and its got people pissed cuz they cant somehow take advantage of it.