What would happen if someone succeeded in summoning the Twelve?

[Baithin]

And by that I mean their full essences, not just what Louisoix did in the opening cinematic to seal Bahamut.

I would assume they'd be similar to Primals. But would they be stronger? More human? Whatever the case, the Ascians seem to think it is possible since they tried to get the Ala Mhigans to summon Rhalgr.

Do you think the story would ever go in this direction where we'd have to face any of them in a trial? I think it could be interesting.

For example, my idea for Althyk would be that he'd enable true time travel if he were ever summoned, since he is the god of time. I actually tried to organize an RP for this in which all of our characters get sent back in time to the time of the War of the Magi, or something, haha.

So, let's speculate!

[VargasVermillion]

I believe this was briefly looked over in 1.0s story. the idea to summon the twelve was proposed but only a fraction of their power, if they summoned all 12 of them in their full forms then it would drain the world of it's aether.

[Enkidoh]

It should also be noted that the Ascian 'version' of summoning Rhalgr would have been virtually identical to the summoning of Good King Moggle Mog - that is, it would not have been the literal god or goddess of the Twelve, but an aetheric entity masquerading as one who would then proceed to corrupt whoever summoned them in order to keep itself anchored in the corporeal realm (and thus also require a constant supply of aether).

As the storyline more and more was hinting at, it seems with a strong enough will/desire and enough crystals/aether you can summon pretty much anything into a Primal-like entity, but as the Primals and Good King Moggle Mog showed, it doesn't take an Archon to realize this is a very bad idea.

[Kaiser-Ace]

It should also be noted that the Ascian 'version' of summoning Rhalgr would have been virtually identical to the summoning of Good King Moggle Mog - that is, it would not have been the literal god or goddess of the Twelve, but an aetheric entity masquerading as one who would then proceed to corrupt whoever summoned them in order to keep itself anchored in the corporeal realm (and thus also require a constant supply of aether).

As the storyline more and more was hinting at, it seems with a strong enough will/desire and enough crystals/aether you can summon pretty much anything into a Primal-like entity, but as the Primals and Good King Moggle Mog showed, it doesn't take an Archon to realize this is a very bad idea.

So if I had enough crystals, enough people that desired it, and the time to cast the Ascian summoning, then I could summon A Giant Taco the size of Ifrit and use it to brain was every one into loving tacos as much as me? O.O

[Saikou]

I'm sorry, but you just made me remember this...

[Morningstar1337]

I'm sorry, but you just made me remember this...

Now I'm wondering where that came from (apart from the association of heat with Mexico)

[Enkidoh]

So if I had enough crystals, enough people that desired it, and the time to cast the Ascian summoning, then I could summon A Giant Taco the size of Ifrit and use it to brain was every one into loving tacos as much as me? O.O

More like, "summon a giant taco god that would brainwash everyone in earshot as 'the one true god', and immediately demand to be fed crystals and and aether."

No matter what the form they take, it will always be the same thing fundamentally, hence why Primals or aetheric entities are so dangerous.

[Saikou]

Now I'm wondering where that came from (apart from the association of heat with Mexico)

This came from reddit sometime during 2.0-2.2, people using ifrit as a loot pinata for their first lvl 50 weapons typing "que" instead of "queue" when talking about duty finder. Rereading that last sentence, there was at least one more Mexican cultural reference that was passed over by the guy who made this.

[Baithin]

It should also be noted that the Ascian 'version' of summoning Rhalgr would have been virtually identical to the summoning of Good King Moggle Mog - that is, it would not have been the literal god or goddess of the Twelve, but an aetheric entity masquerading as one who would then proceed to corrupt whoever summoned them in order to keep itself anchored in the corporeal realm (and thus also require a constant supply of aether).

As the storyline more and more was hinting at, it seems with a strong enough will/desire and enough crystals/aether you can summon pretty much anything into a Primal-like entity, but as the Primals and Good King Moggle Mog showed, it doesn't take an Archon to realize this is a very bad idea.

So... If it is not the literal god Rhalgr that would have been summoned, can't you argue that it's the same case with the Primals? That Ifrit the Primal is an aetheric entity masquerading as the god of the Amal'jaa? I know they're not explicitly defined as gods, but the Primals are worshipped as such.

If that isn't the case, then I find that kind of problematic. What makes the Twelve more legitimate as gods than the Beast Tribes' gods?

Do they follow a specific pantheon, like this?

Hydaelyn/Zodiark(?) -> the Twelve -> Beast Tribe Primals

What makes the Primals bottom of the totem pole? Or could it be that the Primals, like Good King Moggle Mog, don't actually exist?

I think I've confused myself.

[myahele]

I'd reckon they'd be extremely powerful primals once summoned due to "man" believing in the 12 in general and each city states worshipping one specifically.

Wasn't it said that crystals are given as a form of worship to the 12? Regardless, the 4 races > beast tribe population and crystal resources.

With everything that's happened I wouldn't be too surprised if Ishgard summons Halone. They've had years to amass crystals + a whole country of believers. Perhaps the reason for the political turmoil there is due to fraction either for or against summoning Halone.