Locked out of the Duty Finder.

[LineageRazor]

The withdrawl penalty is a good thing. I've read the entire thread, now, and every circumstance put forward as to why it is bad - EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE - is a situation where earning the penalty is pretty darned easy to avoid.

Party keeps withdrawing? Use Ready Check before signing up for the duty. If you're signing up for something as a partial party, chances are good that they are all people that you know and trust. The Ready Check gives them a chance to let you know that they haven't gone afk. If you're signing up as a complete party, you don't need to worry:

Also, in the event that you queue up to the Duty Finder as a party, if one party member withdraws when matched, it will count as a penalty towards all of the party members. This excludes times when you queue as a complete pre-made party. Withdrawing in these instances will not count towards the penalty.

So, trolls have no foothold at all. They can't join Party Finder, and nuke some poor, unsuspecting party with multiple withdrawls to inflict penalty on them, because a party finder party will be a full party before it enters, if the organizers have a lick of sense. To be trolled, you need to have the hilariously bad sense to enter duty finder with a partial party composed of strangers - and, after doing so, try again twice after they troll you the first time. It's safe to say that these are pretty fringe situations we're talking about, here.

As for incurring a penalty for unavoidable issues (in bathroom when commence appears, in the middle of a long and risky craft, engaged with an enemy and can't escape and change in time, etc), that is why we have three strikes. If you fail twice, take a little care before signing up a third time. If you're on your last strike, DON'T start that risky craft, DON'T enter a FATE that you won't be able to leave in time, use the bathroom FIRST before signing up, and so on.

Is this the best solution SE could have come up with? Perhaps, perhaps not. They certainly should have started by removing all in-progress indicators from the commence window (it was idiotic to include those in the first place), but this solution isn't bad by any means.

[Tupsi]

People tend to get thirsty or hungry or have to use the bathroom in those times. If you are defending this you are crazy..

Indeed people have needs - Yet people who think this didn't fix the problem are also being a bit on the not sane side. Despite what inside ST is like now, it's nice actually being able to get inside of content without sitting and waiting for the fishers and trolls to finish. So it's not defending, I just know in the grand scheme of things it's done far more good.

It's funny - People who somehow always miss the queue are now coming out of the woodwork yet didn't complain to SE to extend the Commence timer during the last year...this is kind of why many people get skeptical about the "oh I had to take a piss all 3 times!"

[Rjain]

It's funny - People who somehow always miss the queue are now coming out of the woodwork yet didn't complain to SE to extend the Commence timer during the last year...this is kind of why many people get skeptical about the "oh I had to take a piss all 3 times!"

I love the concept of the system. When it was announced it was one of the things I praised the most. But it is broken and poorly implemented. Reduce the penalty tally from 24 hours to 6 or 8 hours (6 hours is by far more than enough to deal with people who are maliciously withdrawing). Also, penalizing only the players who did not commence the duty, not the rest of the party. Reading some of the posts in this thread defending what's going on and making victims of the system seem like idiots is mindblowing. I can't wait to see these people whine to the high heavens when this stuff happens to them.

[Madoka]

for anyone crying about a whole party getting locked out, it simply does not happen. Yesterday I had more than 6 cases where someone within a full 8 party alliance clicked withdraw for either various coil turns or shiva. I should have been locked out for 30 minutes each time after the last two going by what people are saying but it did not happen.

It will happen for ST/CT but that's because you are merely 8/24. So stop making shit up

[Rjain]

for anyone crying about a whole party getting locked out, it simply does not happen. Yesterday I had more than 6 cases where someone within a full 8 party alliance clicked withdraw for either various coil turns or shiva. I should have been locked out for 30 minutes each time after the last two going by what people are saying but it did not happen.

It will happen for ST/CT but that's because you are merely 8/24. So stop making shit up

Read: "partial party". People queuing with 1 or 2 friends for things like expert roulette or trials. In my case it was helping people level their rogue, doing expert roulette, or doing my Hydra trial for NIN relic. Waited in queue for 20 mins with a friend, he had to go get a drink of water or something, came back and I was hit with an additional 30 minute penalty on top of a penalty I had previously for people not accepting.

[winxbloom61]

On the flipside, I;ve seen 10-12+ withdraws back to back for EX roulette and trials, it's present in all content, it's just worse in Raid content.



People not being able to troll the queue will not hurt SE at all - It helped everyone else.

this dosnt hurt the people whos trolling if someone is really trolling they dont care about the penality they will just find another way to troll like draging bosses to early and so forth al this does is HURT INNOCENT PEOPLE mainly dps who hav e life outside of a game and does other things while dealing with are 2 hour + ques the only people this dosnt hurt is trolls/tanks and healers

im sorry but se and people who think this is hurting the ones who are trolling arent to smart trolls will troll some times in new worse ways YOU CAN NOT STOP PEOPLE FROM TROLLING ITS IMPOSSIBLE A TROLL WILL ALWAYS TROLL IN GAME ADDING SYSTEMS TO KEEP TROLLS FROM TROLLING. YOU CANT REALLY EVER STOP PEOPLE FROM TROLLING WITH ANY SYSTEM

[LittleArrow]

Indeed people have needs - Yet people who think this didn't fix the problem are also being a bit on the not sane side. Despite what inside ST is like now, it's nice actually being able to get inside of content without sitting and waiting for the fishers and trolls to finish. So it's not defending, I just know in the grand scheme of things it's done far more good. <snip>

This may have been a positive, but it wasn't the only way to achieve this goal. I don't understand why our society is so quick to punish people instead of implementing people friendly systems. We have some pretty good studies out there that shows how to push people into good behavior without using a punish / shaming system. A good suggestion for in game that I've seen so far has been to allow players to only que up in progress. There are better ways to achieve these goals without supporting a punishing system.

Not trying to completely drag this system through the dirt. It's just interesting to me how I've noticed people in the MMO community are more likely to attack / punish their fellow players than look for a win-win alternative.

[Kaze3434]

This may have been a positive, but it wasn't the only way to achieve this goal. I don't understand why our society is so quick to punish people instead of implementing people friendly systems. We have some pretty good studies out there that shows how to push people into good behavior without using a punish / shaming system. A good suggestion for in game that I've seen so far has been to allow players to only que up in progress. There are better ways to achieve these goals without supporting a punishing system.

allowing people to queue in progress only is a terrible idea. all healers and tanks would do is just that.

[LittleArrow]

allowing people to queue in progress only is a terrible idea. all healers and tanks would do is just that.

And those players would have long ques since in progress parties aren't that common. This may not be the most well thought out idea, but it's a start. My point is why don't we offer systems that don't punish players but balance gameplay?

[MeiUshu]

yesterday I queued for Amdapor Keep normal mode, it withdrew 4x during the process, that means someone was not hitting the *ready* button once it popped.

This locking is totally nonsense, it doesnt prevent the many comes and goes of the DF, it doesnt shorten it either, not that I noticed, it doesnt force anyone to do anything. Lets say this, group of 4, A, B, C, D.

A withdraw/doesnt h it enter, is replaced by E, since you are queued again, right ?, it lits up again
B withdraw/doesnt hit enter, is replaced by F,
C withdraw/doesnt hit enter, is replaced ny G



see my point ? technically it could never end seen the number of people that play the game crossworlds right ?

this function prevents NOTHING it is just to satisfy the masses that complained over something that wasnt worth complaining about.

Now you complain about the group lock out because one member didnt press ready, well guess what is logical, yep, why ? simple a GROUP registering is considered as 1 person, news to you ? let me repeat, when the leader register he register for the entire group as 1 person for the system, therefore if one doesnt confirm the whole group is concerned and I guess that, by bad luck, one of you had already used 2 tries and there you go. or, worse, even since the group had what ? 3 people ? it counted for 3 attemps since the Leader or whoever withdrew, withdrew FOR ALL OF YOU....is this right? no...but in a way you all wanted this, so now, I guess you need to live with it.



As I said, is far more annoying to have someone leave a group once entered or in the mid of it, then people not confirming or withdrawing BEFORE entering.

You wanted it, you got it....no point in complaining now !

Mei