*Spoilers Rogue* SE teasing us of the gunner class/Job XD

[Starlord]

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Right, they did say they are releasing at least 1 of each role, but we don't even know how many jobs we are getting. Speculation is not facts and even if it poses to be true it doesn't make my opinion on it before the gunner class reveal any less more right than yours.

So say they give 4 new jobs in the expansion 1 for each type of role ( DRK- Tank) we still don't know the DD or the healer yet. In my honest opinion a gun healer just sounds weird, but if it ends up being just that I be happy with that too.

In my personal opinion, I don't see his T-shirt or his shooting motions are hints of it being a healer class. It just looks like he's just shooting at someone. I am open to the idea of a gun healer though, but I just don't see it atm.

[Tiggy]

Then you're literally ignoring the specific way they dropped hints just a week prior just to fit your narrative. Keep in mind Yoshi also said the gun class wouldn't what people expect. Agent nicely fits that description.

It makes me laugh that you don't see that as a valid tease or hint yet simply flourishing a gun is.

[Starlord]

Then you're literally ignoring the specific way they dropped hints just a week prior just to fit your narrative. Keep in mind Yoshi also said the gun class wouldn't what people expect. Agent nicely fits that description.

It makes me laugh that you don't see that as a valid tease or hint yet simply flourishing a gun is.

I said I am open to the idea and I am not thrashing at your opinion either. I just don't see it, but if it turns out to be true, like I said I am open to the idea of a gun mage.

[Meier]

Is it that everytime someone uses a gun, its a hint toward a gunner class? Just wondering because someone said the same thing after Captain Madison. in Sastasha (Heroic).

Heroic? What is that?

[Fellisin]

You can't ignore that the new gun class is being shipped as a healer. Just seeing a gun isn't a tease to that at all. Your criteria for a tease is quite low.

Correction. Its being Speculated as a healer by the players. It could easily be a DPS and at the Fan fest in december when the gun class details are revealed they then go on and tease a third class for the healer.

At this point all we have is speculation no confirmation on any details past the use of guns.

At the US fanfest they made numerous references to various knights and batman as a dark knight and they even wore a batman shirt. The following week they formally announced the Dark Knight class.

At the London fan fest when Yoshi took off his Black Mage AF he was wearing a 007 shirt. Following the same line of "hints" we end up at the current target of speculation. The agent. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Agent The agent is gun weilding healer. (Obviously without the all female aspects I'm sure)

They've also in the past said they would be releasing a new tanking and healing job in the expansion. New healer class + gun class + 007 shirt hint = Agent as the current speculation. Pretty reasonably if I do say so.

Except the hint at London Fan Fest was that Yoshi P particularly likes the film "The man with the golden gun". SO the title is the clue not the James Bond bit. So it could easily not be Agent class at all.

Plus there no guarantee the next class being released is an actual healer class.

Once again it just speculation.

[Tiggy]

Correction. Its being Speculated as a healer by the players. It could easily be a DPS and at the Fan fest in december when the gun class details are revealed they then go on and tease a third class for the healer..

Yes, if you read further into the thread I pointed out that it was speculation.

Also, speculation is at least based on some amount of knowledge. You're assuming it could be a different class than a healer based off an event that hasn't happened yet.

Starlord. How do you reconcile the following details against your current opinion on what the gun class will be?

A) Dark Knight was strongly hinted at the week before using a shirt and then was confirmed. 007 on his shirt and gun motions are the same kind of hint. Why do you ignore the 007 aspect? Why was the t-shirt a valid hint the previous week that did indeed hint at Dark Knight and this week you can't believe it's a hint? Don't you think you're blatantly ignoring this piece of info?

B) Agent is actually a class in FF Tactics Advanced 2 and was a gun healer class. Does the 007 shirt really not lead you to this in a similar way batman lead to dark knight? If there wasn't an agent like class that would be one thing, but there is.

C) Yoshi said the gun class would be different than what we expected. Isn't a healing gun class unexpected? A DPS gunclass wouldn't exactly be considered unexpected. That would generally be what's considered expected because it's what most people want.

I'd say we have a different opinion if it actually felt like you were acknowledging certain details. Right now it feels like your ignoring the ones that are inconvenient to your position. I'd love to hear your opinion on those 3 points and how they reconcile with your current opinion and how all three as a whole reconcile. I'm not looking for a "I just agree" I'm more interested in specifics as to why.

Except the hint at London Fan Fest was that Yoshi P particularly likes the film "The man with the golden gun". SO the title is the clue not the James Bond bit. So it could easily not be Agent class at all.

If that movie is to be taken specifically serious then assassin would make the most since since the man with the golden gun was an assassin using the golden bullet to point out his targets. With the addition of Ninja a gun assassin seems kind of odly timed, and not quite unexpected. Possible I suppose but seems to be more of a stretch.

[HakuroDK]

You seem to forget this scene from Patch 2.2's story quest.

[Fellisin]

Yes, if you read further into the thread I pointed out that it was speculation. Also, speculation is at least based on some amount of knowledge. You're assuming it could be a different class than a healer based off an event that hasn't happened yet.

Starlord. How do you reconcile the following details against your current opinion on what the gun class will be?

A) Dark Knight was strongly hinted at the week before using a shirt and then was confirmed. 007 on his shirt and gun motions are the same kind of hint. Why do you ignore the 007 aspect? Why was the t-shirt a valid hint the previous week that did indeed hint at Dark Knight and this week you can't believe it's a hint? Don't you think you're blatantly ignoring this piece of info?

B) Agent is actually a class in FF Tactics Advanced 2 and was a gun healer class. Does the 007 shirt really not lead you to this in a similar way batman lead to dark knight? If there wasn't an agent like class that would be one thing, but there is.

C) Yoshi said the gun class would be different than what we expected. Isn't a healing gun class unexpected? A DPS gunclass wouldn't exactly be considered unexpected. That would generally be what's considered expected because it's what most people want.

I'd say we have a different opinion if it actually felt like you were acknowledging certain details. Right now it feels like your ignoring the ones that are inconvenient to your position. I'd love to hear your opinion on those 3 points and how they reconcile with your current opinion and how all three as a whole reconcile. I'm not looking for a "I just agree" I'm more interested in specifics as to why.

A) Because the Dark Knight T-Shirt was hinting at the film title which turned out to be the job. The London Fan Fest T-shirt was the logo for the film "The Man with the golden gun" but that seems to be ignored by going with just for the literal 007 reference instead.

B)No because batman doesn't really lead to Dark Knight without at actual reference of a particular era with in the batman franchise. Bat man clue could easily lead to Cape Crusader. Not really going get Dark Knight from that. Hell I'm pretty sure somewhere in batman franchise there is a samurai batman.

C) Or he could of meant it play more a support type role than a traditional DPS. Or that it won't be the musketeer which everyone been expecting since 1.0. It could be read a dozen different ways if you so wish to read it.

I'm not ignoring any points. I'm pointing out its speculation & that it could easily NOT be agent class. Till december we will not know either way. I rather wait till actual confirmation of facts before convincing myself it certainly going be something because it happens to the popular idea amongst some players at present based on a very vague clue.

If that movie is to be taken specifically serious then assassin would make the most since since the man with the golden gun was an assassin using the golden bullet to point out his targets. With the addition of Ninja a gun assassin seems kind of odly timed, and not quite unexpected. Possible I suppose but seems to be more of a stretch.

Yes I'm pretty sure there a few who would see Agent to be a stretch as well. Since the job belonged to one character in one game within the FF franchise.

[Ecks007]

That lala's just a Yellow Jacket they use guns and axes, ya know, like pretty much all of Limsa's forces.

Admiral Merlwyb though, is the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvXSHLPB1aM

What!? 1.0 Musketeer Confirmed!!!111!!

[Starlord]

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Well, personally, I don't dive into speculation all that much as speculation aren't facts and just plainly a guess, nothing more. All I said in the OP is that they seem to be teasing the gun class ( and they are release a gun class, so that is fact). However I didn't dive into specifics like you are in your speculation as to why you think the gun class will a healer. I leave all that to facts when it's becomes official.

I hope you can respectfully understand my stance so we don't have to continue this discussion.