The Removal of Item Level 90 Gear

[Edmontongamer]

Lol thats a hella lot of practice. New found skills? I got 2 new skills at 50, I dont think I need to run dungeons 120 times to be able to try my hand at a raid or learn my skills. Maybe 30 runs to adjust like you say. Thats 30 hours of learning give or take. Lets be honest, its to get you to do dailys so that you keep paying a subscription fee. The gear is same price but harder to obtain currency to buy it. You used to get 80 myth for a lvl50 run right? But gear was the same price? So im getting the same thing but it's taking me 4 times slower then the people who did it last week etc?

Thats not even raid gear is it? Thats just the gear to get you into higher lvl dungeons so you can get a better currency for better gear. Lmao if I start now ill be ready around the time the expansion comes out, but then no one will be playing old content anymore. They screwed newer players and those that have decent gear just don't care, cause it's not their problem.

[tocsin]

Lol thats a hella lot of practice. New found skills? I got 2 new skills at 50, I dont think I need to run dungeons 120 times to be able to try my hand at a raid or learn my skills. Maybe 30 runs to adjust like you say. Thats 30 hours of learning give or take. Lets be honest, its to get you to do dailys so that you keep paying a subscription fee. The gear is same price but harder to obtain currency to buy it. You used to get 80 myth for a lvl50 run right? But gear was the same price? So im getting the same thing but it's taking me 4 times slower then the people who did it last week etc?

I'm not sure what your leveling experience was, and everyones is different, but personally, when I leveled my pld to 50, I only ran maybe 4 dungeons where I even had shield oath before I hit 50. the proclivity of low level roulette only giving haukke or tam tara was extremely detrimental to learning the pld specific skills in general.

I essentially had to relearn the entire class once I hit 50. getting a feel for just how much added enmity shield oath provided, plus learning how to weave in my circle of scorn and spirits within, plus when to use hallowed ground was one step. Then learning how to handle tanking at speedrun (normal speed) levels was another experience entirely.

Took me maybe 100 dungeons or so before I would have considered myself properly experienced at endgame. more than enough for 2.4 gear progression to i110.

[Clavaat]

You speak as someone who's crazy about min/maxing. Most players aren't and prefer to wear a full set of armor. I see more people using a full set than not, and only those equipped in the higher tiers tend to worry about missing out on a handful of accuracy.

I speak as someone who's concerned about playing the game >.>

I just don't see the point in going for full sets at all. You can get other pieces from other sources, even if you aren't trying to min/max. Hell, there are pieces from ST or w/e that will totally not fit with a proper build, but it's still something that will get you to the higher levels. The complaint OP had was that the grind was horrible. Well that is only true if you're not taking full advantage of the options in front of you, simply because you want a full set of crappy armor...Also, why would you be grinding for something you will never actually use in practice? Why are people afraid of BC? Is it because it has the word "Raid" attached to it?

I guess I'm just out of touch with this generation of players.

[Snugglebutt]

I like how myth gear is dropped in dungeons now, while grinding soldiery and poetics on my bard I picked up the gear used to trade for myth gear in a single run (I know I won't always be that lucky) but traded it for ninja ilvl90 gear which would of taken a more time if had to grind myths to get it and at same time getting the soldiery and poetics for use on bard and others too. It quite simply allows me to get gear spanning multiple classes much quicker when combine drops for exchanging, soldiery and poetics.

[Ashkendor]

I feel like 2.3 spoiled people too much with easy gear.

It really did. I think a lot of people forgot how tough it was to get myth right after philo was phased out.

God forbid you should have to have a somewhat long-term goal to work toward or anything.

Lol thats a hella lot of practice. New found skills? I got 2 new skills at 50, I dont think I need to run dungeons 120 times to be able to try my hand at a raid or learn my skills. Maybe 30 runs to adjust like you say. Thats 30 hours of learning give or take. Lets be honest, its to get you to do dailys so that you keep paying a subscription fee.

As someone that's had a level 50 PLD for months, I still occasionally learn something new about the class.

[RhaegarFFXIFenrir]

Anyone remember spamming CM for philo for lvl 70 gear? I fail to see the point of this topic. It's a lot easier for a new player to gear up now than it was at 2.0 launch, not that it was hard then, just time consuming.

[Tiggy]

OK so I'm a brand new player. I just dinged 50 and I walk up fresh to dungeons with my AF set. My intention is to run all content at least once. At any point along the way if I get caught by an iLv limit use the existing soldiery obtained to buy something to help buff iLvl.

Step 1: Buy inexpensive accessories to fill out my ride side. Using cash obtained selling allagan coins from quest rewards
Step 2: Buy GC weapon.

At this point you're going to be right around iLv50.

Step 3: Run all the dunegeons.
- The Wanderer's Palace (Level 50) (50)
- Amdapor Keep (Level 50)
- Copperbell Mines (Hard) (Level 50) (iLvl 48)
- Haukke Manor (Hard) (Level 50) (iLvl 48)
- Pharos Sirius (Level 50) (iLvl 48)
- Halatali (Hard) (Level 50) (iLvl 55)
- Brayflox's Longstop (Hard) (Level 50) (iLvl 55)
- The Lost City of Amdapor (Level 50) (iLvl 55)


-- At this point your gear from random drops should have you at least in the 60's and possibly early 70's. --

Step 4: Upgrade relic weapon. You are now geared enough this shouldn't be a problem. Possible temporary weapon upgrades along the way. You can probably mix and match this and step 3 together as you see fit.

-- At this point you have an i90 weapon and assorted gear above i50. You're probably in the i70s by now easily, and probably ready for the expert dungeons. --

Step 5: Unlock the Labyrinth of the Ancients (Level 50) (iLvl 55). Obtain i80 piece.

Step 6: Run Syrcus Tower (Level 50) (iLvl 70). Obtain i100 piece.

Step 7: Run new Expert dungeons and possibly obtain some i90 gear tokens for turn in.
- Tam-Tara Deepcroft (Hard) (Level 50) (iLvl 70)
- Stone Vigil (Hard) (Level 50) (iLvl 70)
- Hullbreaker Isle (Level 50) (iLvl 70)
- Sastasha (Hard) (Level 50) (iLvl 80)
- The Sunken Temple of Qarn (Hard) (Level 50) (iLvl 80)
- Snowcloak (Level 50) (iLvl 80)

-- At this point you're probably in the i90s. Maybe even further than that based on your luck. --
Step 8: Ultima for possible accessories.

Step 9: Run Ex primals ifrit, garuda, and Titan. This get's you both experience in tougher fights and good accessories to upgrade your right side. Also your first completion gives you another weapon giving you an option to skip the relic step if you're gutsy.

Step 10: Run First Coil through once.

Step 11: Use Soldiery and Poetics gained from doing each dungeon once to fill out holes in gear. You'll likely have a bunch of points by now.

Step 12: Start practicing and looting Second coil and running weekly dungeons. This will get you your baseline i110 gear and start moving you to i120.

Step 13: Full on end game.

The only way this is a grind is if you consider doing all level 50 content at least once a grind. I consider that to be part of experiencing the game. As far as I see it you'll easily have good gear by the time your run everything at least once, and likely you'll have i100+ before you even start trying to play with coil 2. There are so many ways to double dip to loot up multiple slots very quickly, and in my above list I didn't even touch hunts or sand/oil farming.

This isn't a big deal.

[Maero]

Well myth gear is super cheap with hunts and the hunts made it fairly easy for "fresh" 50's to get caught up to those that were @ 50 for sometime.
I am fine with it in a way but at the same time, myth gear which was best gear back in the day took weeks to get, now it's like super easy even to get soldiery.
So not sure why there would be complaints? It's sooooo easy to gear up now

[Ashkendor]

Well myth gear is super cheap with hunts and the hunts made it fairly easy for "fresh" 50's to get caught up to those that were @ 50 for sometime.
I am fine with it in a way but at the same time, myth gear which was best gear back in the day took weeks to get, now it's like super easy even to get soldiery.
So not sure why there would be complaints? It's sooooo easy to gear up now

Myth gear is no longer available from the hunt billmaster. It's all soldiery gear.

[ManweSulimo]

I remember spamming brayflox HM for 40,000 myth for my novus (Edit: lord that makes 800 runs doesn't it @_@) and getting the other 25 days worth of alexandrite from the daily expert roulette quest...

It was kinda fun while it lasted in 2.3 what with hunts since the rewards were so broken it was unbelievable (and awesome!) But guys just think about this, kill one A rank and get a myth gear? Come on now I'm sure even the busiest person with the shortest amount of time they can play would agree that's a bit too easy, no?