Please DO alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

[Tsuga]

What? By requesting a different look specialized to a stereotypical request (make me sexy, usually by being less clothed) that the former version does not meet - it is discriminating between the two genders. Tin can is more or less a general armor that could be worn by both sexes (I think it looks cool but I'm using your name). Having the neat looking tin can for only males because females were requested to be recognized different (gasp, discrimination) - therefore you've met the definition.

There is a difference between distinction and discrimination.

[Jacost]

Honestly, the whole thing is easily solved by having feminine armour available for glamouring. Some of those examples are things I'd like to see around Eorzea. As to whether the default Dark Knight armour should have a feminine side...

No. That's not what Dark Knight is about. The basic armour for a class needs to get across the idea of the class in a glance, something that "sexy" would ruin for the Dark Knight class (both male and female, natch).

[Shougun]

There is a difference between distinction and discrimination.

First definition to discriminate is to recognize a distinction. So...

But I'll throw a bone, I'm not lily white - we live in a world that teaches to make distinctions but also told not to. Its a fine line, but as a fact of words - we are indeed meeting the definition by making special requests specially because the current armor can be a female armor and the request for change is pretty much a gaming sterotype.

Yes but in this context discrimination has the connotation of the negative. To discriminate by race or gender is to suggest that one SHOULD be represented or treated differently. Nobody is saying that women SHOULD look sexy here, people are saying that they WANT to look sexy.

By requesting distinction I mean that I want to be able to identify my character as female. Men and women typically look outwardly different from each other, therefore there is a distinction to be made.

I think that the tank soldiery was a great example. I don't exactly want a burly man chest on my female lalafell or miqo'te.


Some women, or people playing female characters like to wear clothing that accentuates and flatters their body types. We're not asking for boob armor or pasties. Regardless of whether or not its a video game, it's a matter of wanting to look female and being happy looking female.

I disagree that it is not at least more sexist leaning to request the change vs leave as be (not your point I think but it was the point I began in this thread), I do however want to say that we under diagnose the word and that we should own up to our notions of what is what. Like I see a few times in your post that the strength that men are attributed doesn't really fit to women, but why? I've seen quite a number of six packed women (gym yay) - a woman could absolutely wear the armor on the front page and I don't think it has a particular gender attributed to it. You're not evil, neither is the OP.

[Transmigration]

I'm surprised at how many responses this got. I think a lot of you chose not to acknowledge the part where I said I was kidding about the belly button. I'm just saying that the armors for males and females should have subtle differences and be fitting the the actual form of their body. A chest plate with the outline of pectoral muscles and a washboard stomach looks odd and silly on a female character. Their armor should have a form that is true to what is underneath.

For people to accuse me of being sexist for this is outrageous. I have the utmost respect for women and gender equality. I didn't make a female character to sit and fap while I play. I choose female characters because I enjoy the beauty of their animations and the delicate strength they exhibit in battle.

[Jacost]

Not Sexist: Saying that female clothing may be sexy.

Sexist: Saying that female clothing must be sexy.

Bonus Round: Remove the "fe" from those sentences, or replace the "sexy" with literally anything, and they're still valid. Damn I'm good.

[Tsuga]

First definition to discriminate is to recognize a distinction. So...

Yes but in this context discrimination has the connotation of the negative. To discriminate by race or gender is to suggest that one SHOULD be represented or treated differently. Nobody is saying that women SHOULD look sexy here, people are saying that they WANT to look sexy.

By requesting distinction I mean that I want to be able to identify my character as female. Men and women typically look outwardly different from each other, therefore there is a distinction to be made.

I think that the tank soldiery was a great example. I don't exactly want a burly man chest on my female lalafell or miqo'te.

But I'll throw a bone, I'm not lily white - we live in a world that teaches to make distinctions but also told not to. Its a fine line, but as a fact of words - we are indeed meeting the definition by making special requests specially because the current armor can be a female armor and the request for change is pretty much a gaming sterotype.

Some women, or people playing female characters like to wear clothing that accentuates and flatters their body types. We're not asking for boob armor or pasties. Regardless of whether or not its a video game, it's a matter of wanting to look female and being happy looking female.

[odie]

i like it either way. with my warrior, i love being fully covered up, the Warrior AF gear for females, while having a female specific model, wasn't anything someone should be offended by in my opinion. it still maintained a practical look to it. however for other jobs, i prefer form fitting or revealing clothing. i say let SE do what they do, and continue to allow for a variety of armors. just because someone on these forums thinks that there shouldn't be any revealing armors doesn't mean they should be fully catered to. You can't please everyone as we all have different preferences. want BiS stats without the sexy look? or maybe you hate that its not sexy? Glamour Prisms......thats all you need to fix your issue.

[SalemP]

Can I drop a picture of Saber as another example of badass armor that is also feminine?



beautiful @u@

[WellGramarye]

I wanna join in this discussion. Here goes:


Y MAH LALA SWIMSUIT GOTTA HAS SKURTZ BUT TEH OTHER RACESES GET BIHKINIH BOTTAMZ


Am I doing it right?

Seriously though, why skirt :[

[LilRedAlchemist]

Because I'm too lazy to copy and paste and I know reading is hard for some people.

With the exception of the Fire Emblem and the Saber armor someone posted as reference the rest of the "request" for sexy & feminine lady armors are stupid and realistically unsafe.