Please DO alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

[jazo]

Please don't do this. Enough of sexist crap.

Sexy =/= Sexist

Learn the difference

[Jacost]

And I am suddenly reminded of the "Real Women Don't Wear Dresses" trope. (note, link leads to TvTropes; I will not be held responsible for wasted hours browsing that bloody site)

So.... there is this 'glamour' system, that lets you change how your gear looks if you don't like it. I suggest you try it. Some people, male and female, want to have tough armor on their female forms. Just because you want 'feminine' armor doesn't mean you must rid the 'masculine' option for other people.

The problem is that some people want a "feminine" variant on the Dark Knight armour for female characters, while others want it to be the same for both genders. I don't personally care at all, since I'm not going to be wearing the female version of the armour anyway, but it's an interesting discussion to watch.

[Niwashi]

Sexy =/= Sexist

Learn the difference

Asking for a few sexy alternatives isn't necessarily sexist, but complaining that there's something non-sexy certainly is. Not everything has to be sexy.

Now, personally, I think it should fit better, but I like the fact that it's not sexy.

[Jacost]

Asking for a few sexy alternatives isn't necessarily sexist, but complaining that there's something non-sexy certainly is. Not everything has to be sexy.

Now, personally, I think it should fit better, but I like the fact that it's not sexy.

Feminine doesn't necessarily equate to sexy, y'know. This is Dark Knight we're talking about here; if SE manages to make it menacing without making it clearly masculine, that's probably the best outcome. Although honestly, I'm just happy they're not giving different stats to female equipment. Remember the Wizardry games that had some really OP female-only items?

[LilRedAlchemist]

Sexy =/= Sexist

Learn the difference

Seeing as the op wants only the FEMALE gear changed so they can run around half naked it more sexist than sexy.

[jazo]

Seeing as the op wants only the FEMALE gear changed so they can run around half naked it more sexist than sexy.

Wanting one thing =/= hating all the other things

Saying one wants a sexier AF for females, I does not states that he hates sexy stuff for males

People, stop using "sexist" argument, because that is just harassing the people as sexists

[TeaTimeBear]

One can appreciate sex appeal without being objectifying. For example, I find sex appeal to be stylish, or cute. The argument for more sexy outfits is not inherently sexist, suggesting that it should be sexy because women in general are supposed to be sexy is.

No you can't not here at least, everything leads to sexism here.

[Niwashi]

The argument for more sexy outfits is not inherently sexist

No, but the argument that it should be specifically the female version that's made more sexy is sexist. If someone wants both male and female versions to be made more sexy, then the only arguments would be about whether that's a suitably "dark knight" sort of style. Since the request was specific to the female version, however, there's the added sexist element to it.

[Parodine]

Sexy =/= Sexist

Learn the difference

Requesting 'sexy' versions of armor for females only is sexist. Especially when the male alternative for a tank armor is the opposite.

[Tsuga]

Requesting 'sexy' versions of armor for females only is sexist. Especially when the male alternative for a tank armor is the opposite.

You're making some assumptions with that statement.

From what I've seen I think that a lot of the people here requesting sexy outfits are female, or play female characters, and are specifically speaking to the fact that they want their character to be sexy, or at the very least feminine - specifically in the dark knight armor. There is nothing wrong with or shameful about the desire to look sexy, or even to see sexy things. The thread is not about men, or male characters, it is about females and players with female characters. I don't want my female characters to look cute/sexy for you, I want them to look cute/sexy for me.

I also don't really think that there is a wrong stance on this conversation, just two different opinions. Some people want to look cute, some people want to look sexy, and some people want to look cool. It's up to each player how they want their characters to look, and I think that it's important that we have options.