Eorzea's Voice (Change): Gathering Opinions for Ze Cash Shop

[Airget]

This is what I was thinking Icefall since you mentioned how it is vague to how the money could be invested.

I think to showcase an even more transparent aspect as to how the cash shop will be used to add even more items, they should allow people who purchase items through the cash shop to vote for what they would like to see in the future, and every month the polls could be made public and as a show of god faith they would focus on adding in new cash shops items that the people want.

AKA as an example you buy x minion and get the option to vote what you would like to see next, FF nostalgia, eorzea related, vanity costume. and then another choice could be used to expand, "cross-over event", "cosplay like outfits/weapons", unique mounts, unique minions from x series etc. This way people could visually see that their money is being spent to further expand the system and on the advantage of SE the one with the highest vote would most likely obtain the most profit so they would be in a win win, they make what people want and the people show that they want it with their money.

[HakuroDK]

The Cash Shop is a response to the community's willingness to pay real-life money for in-game items. Of that, I have no doubts.

As long as the cash shop remains constricted to the following conditions, I will continue to support it as a service:

-No items that directly affect gameplay. That includes items that alter stats or directly alter any other facet of gameplay with its use beyond triggering a universal cooldown from its use or applying a purely aesthetic effect to items or actions (i.e. fireworks, special glamour prisms, special dyes, special glow effects, etc).

-No items that look noticeably better designed than pieces released in the previous, current, or upcoming patch. That means it has to be reasonably comparable. No raid gear that looks like rags while the cash shop gets riches. Exceptions to this rule include Cross-Promotional gear (i.e. FFXIII, DQX, FFXI, FFXV, FFT0, FFVII, etc) and Seasonal Gear (Moonfire Faire, All Saint's Wake, Valentione's Day, Little Ladies' Day, etc.).

-No FFXIV 1.X glamours without putting it to a community vote first.

-No Reward or Bonus Items. That includes (but is not limited to) Pre-Order Bonuses, Collector's Edition Bonuses, TGS Earrings, Contest Chokers, Fanfest gifts, and Special Codes from Physical Merchandise.

-If special hairstyles, facepaint, or body tattoos get added to the cash shop, the FFXIV 1.X back tattoo is not allowed to be sold. The FFXIII hairstyles, however, would be permitted.

-All Cross-Promotional and Seasonal Items should have an event tied to them with all items made available through in-game methods for them to be attainable on the cash shop in the next patch after the event ends.

As long as those conditions are met, I will be more than happy to continue my support of a cash shop.

Full Disclosure: I do not own any 1.X items, I do not have the 1.X back tattoo, I do not have the Mandragora Choker item from the more current events. With these conditions, I would likely never get any of those items except through in-game means.

[ExHeroKid]

TOO LONG!

^THIS GUY
Totally agree with; those are some solid points.

I mean let's take a look at some commonly themed cash shop PAY TO WIN items.

A lot of people are worried about what it'll mean for the future of FFXIV's "Optional Items Shop"
But seriously, why worry that far ahead, this game will have to really tank in the months to come for them to RELY on cash shop revenue to keep their paychecks coming.

I simply CANNOT see them putting in a "Character BOOST to LV50 option" as they did in WoW (1-90 for 60$ LOL), I mean that's a 60$ boost to max level with "appropriate gear", and WoW's toons don't have 20 classes on their's, an option like this is simply ridiculous for FFXIV.

EXP Boost Potions? BE SERIOUS, We already have Helm of Light 1-10, Armoury Bonus 1-50 (AFTER HAVING A LV50), Heat of the Battle I + II

STAT Boost Potions? WE HAVE ECHO its FREE

Increase Drop Rate Potion? Ninja has Mug, plus WTF are you going to increase drop rate on? Open world monsters? LOL, they don't drop squat, Blood spatter logs on NMs? Really now their SOO EASY to get.

What pay to win feature can they add in this game that will break it's mechanics?

Vanity is Vanity, as long as they don't do stuff some of these people already stated, like make normal gear look like complete trash and cash costumes look amazing (LOL DRAGON NEST).

THIS SHIP (Censored myself there guess what I said) IS HANDED TO US ALREADY LOL.

[Mysteran]

If you are truly looking for opinions, please read this thread. It has a lot of back and forth from both sides of the fence:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...shop-confirmed

And I have a feeling the majority of people against it are tired of repeating the same thing over and over again so you'll likely see less responding here.

[Noxifer]

Something I said in another thread:

[Quote: What content is being locked behind the cash shop? Because vanity, pets and mounts really aren't content.]

Maybe not to you. But considering that a large portion of crafter "end game" is vanity gear (spring dress/skirt, glasses, swim suits -- yes, desynthing counts as part of the crafter experience, possibly gatherer [experience] as well), it does raise questions regarding what will happen to their end game if the cash shop starts taking pieces of the gear they'd normally be producing. I know several people who have one or two combat classes at 50, but prefer to spend their game time with their eight DoH 50s, crafting things and either using the items themselves, giving them to friends (or selling at discount/mat price), or putting up on the marketboard for other players.

There are people who don't log in with Progression foremost in their mind. There are even those who wouldn't care less if they had an option to unlock an extra Final Coil run for the current week... for a price, because that's not content they're interested in. Just as vanity is content you're not as interested in. Just as that extra coil run would count as P2W for some, those exclusive vanity items count as P2W for others.

[Riviere]

A question comes to mind tho...why when a company like blizzard has such a cash shop in place almost no one says anything?...as far as i can remember there was no major negative feedback when it was implemented like SE is getting now for the implementation of their own cash shop, although its been many years my memory might be faulting so there may have been, but as it stands now its been fine.

They had threads like this in their forums and also a lot of angry posters in the official news article. They still implemented it anyway and it's working good for them.