As promised: PICS

**Raikki** · 07-25-2011 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Arcell

Could you offer any tips? Been at it for a while, able to get it pretty low but something inevitably gets us near the end. Not looking for a super ridiculously in-depth guide, just some tips that may help when not using Archers lol.

What's been getting you? Running out of MP, Inferno Drop, heals not covering the damage output, etc.?

**Verecund** · 07-25-2011 06:49 AM

As usual, people are completely missing the whole point of the archer/conj rage issue.

As long as fights do not specifically account for over-stacked parties, it will result in not only class issues but also potential and utter trivialization of content. It should'nt be met with nerfs or buffs per se - it should be met with solid design.

**MeowyWowie** · 07-25-2011 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Aistaraina

Did we really need proof? No shit it's possible. People just can't adapt to the new play style so they QQ everywhere.

Apparently some people did, only reason I posted the pics. It's no harder than an ARC setup, just takes smart players and cooperation.

**Physic** · 07-25-2011 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

The point isnt that its impossible, the question is who does it easier, and to be honest it still a problem that they made content that seems to absolutely require 1 gld, 2 con, and reccomend archer DD. and another gld.

the real point is, pug requires a higher level of skill and risk to succeed correct? and what beneifit, utility or DD do you get for that increased skill, and risk?

If the answer is none, or you actually lose a bit of dps, then people will make their shouts and parties around not having people other than archer.

just like in ffxi, yeah you can do things with many party set ups, but that doesnt mean that most teams will allow you to, if doing it some other way is noticeably easier, or faster.

Its still a problem.

**Raze** · 07-25-2011 06:58 AM

Sorry but Meowy probably cut off about 5 more waah ARC only threads. Every job is useful if you can play it.

**JBFire** · 07-25-2011 06:59 AM

I don't believe the argument was ever that it wasn't possible.

The argument that seems to be abound is that it is inherently easier for parties to stack archers for cleaner kills. This situation is thus leaving others out in the cold because they are not playing A) Archer, B) Gladiator or C) Conjurer.

I'm glad to see community members going out and breaking out of the mold though. It is vastly more exciting to see people playing a variety of classes rather than stacking a multiples of one or two and excluding others. Sometimes it just takes the ability to put the big boy pants on and work on a new strategy to complete something differently.

Yes, you may have had to work a bit harder than a group stacking archers, but you know what? You did it. You should be choosing your class because you like that class, not because you feel it's the easiest way to do something. If you want to run a group of GLA/GLA/LNC/PUG/CON/CON/THM/MRD, then go for it! Yeah, you might have to teach people to run out of an AoE and your kill might take 2 minutes longer to do and your healers might end the fight with 200 less MP than the all archer group (I'm strictly pulling numbers out of my rear-end here, but the idea is the important part), but you still CAN go kill these monsters.

I'd much rather be part of a well executed victory than stacking my team and pulling out a single way to victory every time. (No offense archer-teams. You have a completely legit strategy.)

**MeowyWowie** · 07-25-2011 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Physic

The point isnt that its impossible, the question is who does it easier, and to be honest it still a problem that they made content that seems to absolutely require 1 gld, 2 con, and reccomend archer DD. and another gld.

the real point is, pug requires a higher level of skill and risk to succeed correct? and what beneifit, utility or DD do you get for that increased skill, and risk?

If the answer is none, or you actually lose a bit of dps, then people will make their shouts and parties around not having people other than archer.

just like in ffxi, yeah you can do things with many party set ups, but that doesnt mean that most teams will allow you to, if doing it some other way is noticeably easier, or faster.

Its still a problem.

It's easy as hell once you figure it out. That's the problem, people are just too freakin lazy...

**MeowyWowie** · 07-25-2011 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by JBFire

You should be choosing your class because you like that class, not because you feel it's the easiest way to do something.

This x10000000

**Jennestia** · 07-25-2011 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Aistaraina

Did we really need proof? No shit it's possible. People just can't adapt to the new play style so they QQ everywhere.

Actually you do need proof when someone says "pics or it didn't happen" -- it generally shuts the trolls up or they try hard to counter the proof to no avail.

**Raze** · 07-25-2011 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Jennestia

Actually you do need proof when someone says "pics or it didn't happen" -- it generally shuts the trolls up or they try hard to counter the proof to no avail.

Thank you for clearing that up, this is no brag post, we mentioned with strategy it's quite simple really, it's just a bit of proof that melee DDs can play too, since we were explicitly told otherwise.

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