SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Kensei]

But it's only a lie because you perceive it as oneand you refuse to admit that you're just angry that you can't easy mode the game anymore.

Wrong. I'm upset I was lied to. If he hadn't said ranking up wouldn't be nerfed then this thread wouldn't exist.

i don't think its a lie honestly. I don't recall him saying it was gonna be any faster than it was either.

I didn't say he said it was gonna be faster. He said it wouldn't be nerfed. Meaning rank up progression would remain the same post-patch and that is not the case. It is far slower which means he lied.

And by saying every point made is irrelevant you're stonewalling the fact that they made an effort to compensate the exploits for rapid sp gains, which isn't a nerf if you fix something.

I'm not saying every point is irrelevant. Saying that there are many new ways of getting SP is irrelevant to the fact that we were lied to. My point is not that I can't get SP my point is ranking up was nerfed after Yoshi said it wouldn't.

Just because he had a target time for you to cap out doesn't mean its going to happen like that in one patch

Letter XIV was specifically about patch 1.18.

[Emonzaemon]

Wrong. I'm upset I was lied to. If he hadn't said ranking up wouldn't be nerfed then this thread wouldn't exist.



I didn't say he said it was gonna be faster. He said it wouldn't be nerfed. Meaning rank up progression would remain the same post-patch and that is not the case. It is far slower which means he lied.



I'm not saying every point is irrelevant. Saying that there are many new ways of getting SP is irrelevant to the fact that we were lied to. My point is not that I can't get SP my point is ranking up was nerfed after Yoshi said it wouldn't.



Letter XIV was specifically about patch 1.18.

Except that's wrong because he mentioned what he had in store for patch 1.19, and furthermore it has been brought up that patch 1.18 is infact ground work. Let's not forget it's not officially a lie until he has put out all the changes he intended to and it's still "slow" in the prospect of what you define as "nerfed". Since, he did say that's what he had in store for the future, not only what he had in store for patch 1.18.

I mean shit, what do you do if your girlfriend tells you she's going to the mall and she decides to go to a movie instead? Do you make her feel like shit all night because you were lied too?

[Kensei]

Except that's wrong because he mentioned what he had in store for patch 1.19, and furthermore it has been brought up that patch 1.18 is infact ground work. Let's not forget it's not officially a lie until he has put out all the changes he intended to and it's still "slow" in the prospect of what you define as "nerfed". Since, he did say that's what he had in store for the future, not only what he had in store for patch 1.18.

You act as if I have my own interpretation of the statement in that letter. Saying that ranking up process will not be nerfed is a very direct and specific statement in regard to patch 1.18. You can quote other letters or statements he has made elsewhere but in his latest statement those are his statements.

I mean shit, what do you do if your girlfriend tells you she's going to the mall and she decides to go to a movie instead? Do you make her feel like shit all night because you were lied too?

Using that example all I have done is let her know that she lied. I have not made any statements that would make her feel bad. It was her decision to deceive, I am merely reacting to her deception by pointing it out. Some of you keep saying it is OK that she went to the movies instead of the mall as if that was the issue. I have never talked about whether it is OK or not. I just mentioned that she lied.

[Emonzaemon]

You act as if I have my own interpretation of the statement in that letter. Saying that ranking up process will not be nerfed is a very direct and specific statement in regard to patch 1.18. You can quote other letters or statements he has made elsewhere but in his latest statement those are his statements.



Using that example all I have done is let her know that she lied. I have not made any statements that would make her feel bad. It was her decision to deceive, I am merely reacting to her deception by pointing it out. Some of you keep saying it is OK that she went to the movies instead of the mall as if that was the issue. I have never talked about whether it is OK or not. I just mentioned that she lied.

But you DO have your own interpretation, and by making any sort of deal about it (Like say, making a post about it), you intend to let them know so they feel guilty, otherwise you'd have said whatever to yourself and moved on because it's not a huge deal. But I stand by my view that until everything has been hashed out and done and "finalized" that it's not even close to being a lie, especially if there's already some effort into compensation for FIXING an SP system. You could even go as far as to call it a change, since I seriously can't imagine what kind of progress people would be making with the old SP system with no fatigue system.

[Kensei]

But you DO have your own interpretation,

Which is? If somebody tells you they won't do something and then do it that's called lying. What is there to interpret?

and by making any sort of deal about it (Like say, making a post about it), you intend to let them know so they feel guilty, otherwise you'd have said whatever to yourself and moved on because it's not a huge deal.

That is not my intention. I just wanted to point out a deception and see if others had noticed it too. This is a forum buddy, you post things. Every thread has some who agree and some who don't. One would assume those who think the poster is wrong wouldn't mind him and move on to other topics of their interest.

But I stand by my view that until everything has been hashed out and done and "finalized" that it's not even close to being a lie, especially if there's already some effort into compensation for FIXING an SP system. You could even go as far as to call it a change, since I seriously can't imagine what kind of progress people would be making with the old SP system with no fatigue system.

I agree that game is in a process to be better, that much is clear and has been stated. That's great for all of us. But the letter was in regard specifically to the changes of 1.18.

[Emonzaemon]

Which is? If somebody tells you they won't do something and then do it that's called lying. What is there to interpret?



That is not my intention. I just wanted to point out a deception and see if others had noticed it too. This is a forum buddy, you post things. Every thread has some who agree and some who don't. One would assume those who think the poster is wrong wouldn't mind him and move on to other topics of their interest.



I agree that game is in a process to be better, that much is clear and has been stated. That's great for all of us. But the letter was in regard specifically to the changes of 1.18.

I don't know what letter you read but it was a letter to address the near future and talked about specific interest for 1.18. Other wise he wouldn't have said anything that's to come further down the line. Also, that's what an interpretation IS, how YOU perceive it, whether it be for fact or opinion (As to whether it's deception or "lying" or not). Apparently not many people noticed (or agreed, atleast no in the pages I've skimmed over, it's 77 pages and I don't care to read everything) that it was lying as all they've said is they want their EXP gains to be faster, with a few complaints about MP.

The mere fact of making sure that a person acknowledges if they lied or changed their mind (in the scenario I posted), means that you want them to dwell on it, which in turn causes guilt.

[Kensei]

I don't know what letter you read but it was a letter to address the near future and talked about specific interest for 1.18. Other wise he wouldn't have said anything that's to come further down the line. Also, that's what an interpretation IS, how YOU perceive it, whether it be for fact or opinion (As to whether it's deception or "lying" or not). Apparently not many people noticed (or agreed, atleast no in the pages I've skimmed over, it's 77 pages and I don't care to read everything) that it was lying as all they've said is they want their EXP gains to be faster, with a few complaints about MP.

This is the first part of the letter:

"I’m sorry to have kept you waiting so long, but patch 1.18 will finally be going live this week! This version marks the beginning of big changes being readily visible on-screen, such as the auto-attack feature, as well as a number of others, both big and small. It took a while to get it all ready, but we hope you all enjoy this first wind of change sweeping across Eorzea!"

Look at the bold areas "this first wind of change" meaning this first major patch.

And to further prove it this is near the end:

"In my next post, I hope to talk about 1.19 and have some more details for you on the changes in store."

Meaning he did not talk about 1.19 this time.

The mere fact of making sure that a person acknowledges if they lied or changed their mind (in the scenario I posted), means that you want them to dwell on it, which in turn causes guild.

If you think the developers care at all about what some player posts on this forum you are sadly mistaken. This was a thread to be discussed among other players who noticed the same things I pointed out. That's it.

[AarosLunos]

Using that example all I have done is let her know that she lied. I have not made any statements that would make her feel bad. It was her decision to deceive, I am merely reacting to her deception by pointing it out. Some of you keep saying it is OK that she went to the movies instead of the mall as if that was the issue. I have never talked about whether it is OK or not. I just mentioned that she lied.

Mmmhmm something tells me that you don't have a g/f. A woman would not react kindly to you talking to her like that over a small fickle issue.

[Kensei]

Mmmhmm something tells me that you don't have a g/f. A woman would not react kindly to you talking to her like that over a small fickle issue.

What are you talking about? Talking to her how? Saying "You lied to me" When she did? That's out of line?

So it is OK to you if your g/f lies to you and you wouldn't say anything? Wow I guess there are all kinds of people.

[Emonzaemon]

What are you talking about? Talking to her how? Saying "You lied to me" When she did? That's out of line?

So it is OK to you if your g/f lies to you and you wouldn't say anything? Wow I guess there are all kinds of people.

As to if my G/F "lied" to me or not, I wouldn't mind if she decided to CHANGE HER MIND on something absolutely inconsequential. Now if she were to cheat on me with absolutely no remorse what so ever, that's a different story, but an entirely different discussion.