Cash shop confirmed

[Vhailor]

Then SE succeeded - They're a business and they're making money...what's the problem? They're not your BFF from high school

and

Business doesn't work that way - Money the company SE makes goes to:

- Development of projects in general
- Employee Paychecks
- Paying investors (depending on projects)
- Maintenance on their MMOs and other online services
- R&D
- Etc.

You are right in both respects, but your post acts as if the potential consumer doesn't have a valid right to criticize a company's pricing scheme. Just because it's a company's goal to make money, and just because they allocate their revenue according to their own decisions rather than those of the customer, doesn't mean we have to like / support the model we see.

Quesse is clearly one player, like myself, who would be a lot more receptive to the idea of a cash shop if we knew its proceeds were going to be used to improve FFXIV on top of the revenue already allocated to its continued maintenance. The concern about a few dozen vanity items in the cash shop costing as much as an entire year-long subscription to the game is also a valid one on the part of the consumer. We get a voice too - and we have every right to imply to SE that we're unhappy about, and/or planning to quit over, certain business decisions.

[Zaero]

Critiquing a pricing scheme and shouting "OMG SLIPPERY SLOPEEEE!" are different things.

Plus, even if they said "All cash shop money is going right into FF14", people would just scream "OMG F2P!!".

[MiniTofu]

There was a response from about cashshop: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ning_ceremony/

• Now talking about vocal opinion of players of cash shop, especially some worried opinions
• Reiterates no pay to win
• Minions sold in cash shop? NOT EXCLUSIVE to cash shop (I think, he said ingame and I may have misunderstood)
• Using those funds to create more vanity/minions/etc. that won't just be cash shop-exclusive, or doing other things like adding the new EU datacenter. Want to use those profits to give back to the community

[Vhailor]

Critiquing a pricing scheme and shouting "OMG SLIPPERY SLOPEEEE!" are different things.

Plus, even if they said "All cash shop money is going right into FF14", people would just scream "OMG F2P!!".

Reread Quesse's original post that Tupsi was commenting on. Clearly it wasn't an "OMG SLIPPERY SLOPEEEE!" style of complaint.

Edit: I can't comment obviously on whether or not people would react to funds being reinvested in the way you indicated. You're also pointlessly generalizing a lot of calm and reasonable disagreements in a somewhat-insulting way, which adds absolutely nothing positive to the conversation. Most people who are concerned about the cash shop being a slippery slope for the game have stated their opinion calmly; not all of them, but most, and it's a valid concern. Similarly for those concerned about XIV becoming a F2P title (though I really haven't seen this crop up as much).

There was a response from about cashshop: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ning_ceremony/

Good info - hopefully SE releases something official soon in this regard. Still wouldn't make a difference for me personally, of course, but my issue with the cash shop (and multiple other aspects of the game) differ somewhat from the majority that I've seen posting in this thread. I think if this became an official announcement, it would greatly limit any theoretical loss of subscriptions that the cash shop might otherwise result in.

[Erepio]

Good info - hopefully SE releases something official soon in this regard. Still wouldn't make a difference for me personally, of course, but my issue with the cash shop (and multiple other aspects of the game) differ somewhat from the majority that I've seen posting in this thread. I think if this became an official announcement, it would greatly limit any theoretical loss of subscriptions that the cash shop might otherwise result in.

it is an official announcement, it was said by Yoshi-P during the keynote for the London fanfest....not sure how much more "official" it can get

[Vhailor]

it is an official announcement, it was said by Yoshi-P during the keynote for the London fanfest....not sure how much more "official" it can get

Something posted to Lodestone or the forums rather than unofficial coverage on Reddit?

[Erepio]

Something posted to Lodestone or the forums rather than unofficial coverage on Reddit?

haha...so u saying that the HD livestream of the London keynote fanfest that streamed in the official ffxiv twich channel isnt official, isnt that pretty much like saying that the flying black chocobo or the new primals havent been announced cuse there is nothing on the lodestone or forums

[BatHead]

Yeah, I would think Yoshi saying such at a live event like the fanfest is about as official as it gets.

[Zohnax]

If you want your official evidence, go pay for the premium stream and watch the keynote for London. Pretty sure Yoshi said, (again), at least two to three times, no pay to win.

[Vhailor]

haha...so u saying that the HD livestream of the London keynote fanfest that streamed in the official ffxiv twich channel isnt official, isnt that pretty much like saying that the flying black chocobo or the new primals havent been announced cuse there is nothing on the lodestone or forums

Yeah, I would think Yoshi saying such at a live event like the fanfest is about as official as it gets.

For the purposes of calming fears about the cash shop being a profit grab, rather than something used to increase investment in FFXIV, no, this is decidedly not official enough. Most people are almost certainly not paying for a live stream or following the Fan Festivals that closely; news of a cash shop got larger dissemination because it's a big topic. A small piece of information tossed out a week later about wanting to reinvest the profits from it in FFXIV, while very meaningful, won't get the same publicity.

There's a difference between accurate information from an official source, and an official announcement. The latter requires, you know, actually broadcasting the information in a fairly visible way - which a Fan Festival stream is not going to accomplish. They need to put it on the Lodestone or the forums for this to have much of an impact on people who are angry about the cash shop.

If you want your official evidence, go pay for the premium stream and watch the keynote for London. Pretty sure Yoshi said, (again), at least two to three times, no pay to win.

We weren't talking about P2W - the stance on that was well-known since the cash shop was first announced. Please read the posts next time before redirecting the conversation.