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  1. #1111
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    Dalareid's Avatar
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    Reid Ornitier
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    Ultros
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Behold:
    Ice Rod Two--handed Thaumaturge's Arm Item Level: 110 / Equipment Level: 50
    Wolfliege Staff Two--handed Thaumaturge's Arm Item Level: 110 / Equipment Level: 50 - Cannot equip if PvP rank is below 45. Materia effects active during PvP only. While in PvP areas, item level increases an amount equivalent to current Morale rating.
    Ironworks Magitek Rod Two--handed Thaumaturge's Arm Item Level: 120 / Equipment Level: 50
    Augmented Ironworks Magitek Rod Two--handed Thaumaturge's Arm Item Level: 130 / Equipment Level: 50
    Dreadwyrm Staff Two--handed Thaumaturge's Arm Item Level: 135 / Equipment Level: 50

    My guess is the Ice Rod is a drop from either Shiva or Snowcloak, Wolfliegue is exchanged for wolf marks so it's the new PvP weapon, Ironworks Magitek Rod must be the new poetics weapon whilst the Augmented version is probably the conversion through Sands of time with Drake, and Dreadwyrm Staff the drop from Final coil.
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  2. #1112
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    Puro Strider
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    So they're gonna adjust all the parameters for the new expansion lvl 60 cap...

    (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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    @Skeith-Adeline - DET build is like investing in bonds, while CRIT/SSPD build is investing in stocks.

    In other words,

    DET = less risk = less reward

    SSPD = medium risk = medium reward

    CRIT = high risk = high reward

    That being said, I'll try to have data for crit deltas out before 2.4 comes out.. otherwise I won't have time to theorycraft for quite some time.
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  3. #1113
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    Aiyza's Avatar
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    Aiyza Tenebrae
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    1. For fire weaving, I know lethargy is the best spell to use, but when it is on cooldown in your next fire rotation, do you use another off-gcd or save those for oopsies moments?? Like manawall, apo. I'm only 42, but I noticed lethargy is only up every other full rotation?

    2. Also, is clipping dots detrimental in dps with black mage? Sometimes I get a thundercloud proc right after my last F1, use it for chance at firestarter proc, then I do blizz3...then another thunder1. Not sure if I'm doing it wrong and I should be casting something else or just do b3>tick>f3 And this is if the proc is before b3/after F1. I know if I get a thundercloud proc after b3..then i would just go f3.
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    Last edited by Aiyza; 10-26-2014 at 01:32 AM.

  4. #1114
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Mala Liath
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aiyza View Post
    Snip.
    Well if you get a thundercloud on your last fire 1 in your AF rotation and use it for a chance of firestarter proc, obviously clipping it with thunder 1/2 after going in UI wouldn't be a wise moves since they will have shorter DoT duration. Blizz 1 would be better and then if you don't get an early mana tick use thunder 1.

    Personally, depending on if I need the burst or not, If I get a thundercloud that late in an AF rotation, I save it and use it after the first Fire 1 on my next fire rotation.And by late I mean the last two fires in your AF rotation.
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  5. #1115
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    Aiyza's Avatar
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    Aiyza Tenebrae
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
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    Thanks Any tips on the fire weaving question?

    Also, is there any parsers that prove if flare added into your single rotation=more dps, or it doesn't affect much? Only when you add flare with convert and swc up for single target.
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    Last edited by Aiyza; 10-26-2014 at 01:42 AM.

  6. #1116
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    Adamant Ackerman
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    Leviathan
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aiyza View Post
    Thanks Any tips on the fire weaving question?
    Quelling Strikes. Surecast if you run out of options, although Surecast's animation is noticeably longer than both Lethargy and Quelling Strikes, so I would rather not Fireweave at all than use it.

    Edit: I wouldn't use defensive GCDs for Fireweaving unless you're never in any danger during a fight. The returns from Fireweaving aren't worth the cooldown on a defensive skill.
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    Last edited by Adamantium; 10-26-2014 at 04:46 AM.

  7. #1117
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    Aiyza's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantium View Post
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    I also came across this scenario. Let's say you get a firestarter proc right after your last f1, before you even do your off-gcd for the fire weaving, would you still do the off-gcd after the proc or just continue into b3? Not sure if there is a timer between firestarter procs and is it worth it to still use the off-gcd.
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  8. #1118
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiyza View Post
    I also came across this scenario. Let's say you get a firestarter proc right after your last f1, before you even do your off-gcd for the fire weaving, would you still do the off-gcd after the proc or just continue into b3? Not sure if there is a timer between firestarter procs and is it worth it to still use the off-gcd.
    If I'm understanding this correctly, you mean that right as you cast your last Fire, you get a Firestarter proc from the previous Fire? In that case, no, you don't weave. Just fire off the proc and then go into B3.

    At the risk of sparking a debate again, there is no timer for procs. Firestarter procs are checked for when the damage number shows up on the target from Fire, which is either when the spell physically hits the target (without weaving), or immediately after you cast your spell (if you weave a GCD). It's pretty easy to test for yourself if you're curious.
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  9. #1119
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    Aiyza's Avatar
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    Aiyza Tenebrae
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantium View Post
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    yeah that's what I meant. Thanks for the clear up. Got so many scenarios of when procs show up, but I think I'm understanding on when is the proper time to use them
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  10. #1120
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    Cleaned up the ugly ACC page a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantium View Post
    At the risk of sparking a debate again, there is no timer for procs. Firestarter procs are checked for when the damage number shows up on the target from Fire, which is either when the spell physically hits the target (without weaving), or immediately after you cast your spell (if you weave a GCD). It's pretty easy to test for yourself if you're curious.
    I already did all the testing (please see 'math' page).

    There's 0.650 sec delay if you want to link Off-GCD and GCD spells together (or 2+ Off-GCD spells).

    This 0.650 sec also applies to the time it takes for Firestarter proc to show up after casting Fire I regardless of distance.

    There's also a little over 0.100 sec cast animation for all spells.

    So, there should be no debate unless someone can dispute my findings.
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    Last edited by PuroStrider; 10-26-2014 at 02:13 PM.

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