Ninja: Walk in shadow.

[Dynza]

You guys do know that Huton is only boosting Auto-Attack and is not at all like Greased Lightning, right?

Anyway, I'm going to update the opening post now with all the information we have. It'll take a bit, I kinda wish some players would try to keep information all in one thread instead of posting new topics and cluttering up the forums for other classes/jobs.

EDIT: Opening Post has been updated. Still working on it, let me know if you want me to add or adjust some stuff. We'll get more concrete info on Tuesday, so don't fret if there's some incorrect stuff right now.

[Cynric]

Yeah but setting up huton early seems good to boost overall AA damage plus the duration is super long.

[Dynza]

Based on preliminary potency numbers, rogue and ninja weapons likely have lower than average damage values. Probably on par with, or below Archer damage.

The number of buffs, debuffs, cooldowns and attacks suggests that the ninja probably won't have one-size-fits-all rotation and they may end up being pretty flexible. For example, if you wanted to keep all buffs/debuffs up, I don't see any ninja touching Aeolian Edge finisher. By the time they even get the chance, they'll be stuck refreshing a timer. Luckily, Raiton seems to address that issue.

But there's also the fact that we don't have any information on traits yet, and those may extend the timers a bit.

[Eardstapa]

You guys do know that Huton is only boosting Auto-Attack and is not at all like Greased Lightning, right?

Anyway, I'm going to update the opening post now with all the information we have. It'll take a bit, I kinda wish some players would try to keep information all in one thread instead of posting new topics and cluttering up the forums for other classes/jobs.

EDIT: Opening Post has been updated. Still working on it, let me know if you want me to add or adjust some stuff. We'll get more concrete info on Tuesday, so don't fret if there's some incorrect stuff right now.

And what proof do we have it isn't GCD? GL says the same thing, increases attack speed, and reduces GCD whilst reducing AA Delay as well.

[Cynric]

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Yeah we really need more info but I don't think it's gonna be possible to keep every single thing up to be honest. Also Raiton can only be done every minute right? Not counting using kassatsu of course. So I don't think we'll be able to rely on raiton to replace aeolian edge 100%. Especially if you are trying to keep buffs up. You'll run into a situation where you have to decide between that AA speed for sustain or Raiton for burst.

We do need a bit more info and testing to actually decide on anything though. I do agree with what you've said.

[Eardstapa]

Yeah we really need more info but I don't think it's gonna be possible to keep every single thing up to be honest. Also Raiton can only be done every minute right? Not counting using kassatsu of course. So I don't think we'll be able to rely on raiton to replace aeolian edge 100%. Especially if you are trying to keep buffs up. You'll run into a situation where you have to decide between that AA speed for sustain or Raiton for burst.

We do need a bit more info and testing to actually decide on anything though. I do agree with what you've said.

From what was shown, Ninjutsu's have a 20 second cooldown. SATA a 60 second, and Kass is 180. Of course, this was taken from the video demonstration eons ago...

[ShaolinMike]

I'd be willing to bet that ninja buffs won't stack with multiple ninja's in the party, so the other ninja's usefulness would be cut down. There probably won't be any need to have more than one in a party.

Ninja will have its own attack increasing buffs more than likely on top of BfB. I personally think that the only loss ninja took from not having brd CC is misery ' s end. If that was even gonna be cc'able.

Assassinate takes care of that :-D

[Dynza]

And what proof do we have it isn't GCD? GL says the same thing, increases attack speed, and reduces GCD whilst reducing AA Delay as well.

I seem to recall that Pugilists and Monks strongest attacks don't even cross 200 potency. Think about that for a second.

Yeah we really need more info but I don't think it's gonna be possible to keep every single thing up to be honest. Also Raiton can only be done every minute right? Not counting using kassatsu of course. So I don't think we'll be able to rely on raiton to replace aeolian edge 100%. Especially if you are trying to keep buffs up. You'll run into a situation where you have to decide between that AA speed for sustain or Raiton for burst.

We do need a bit more info and testing to actually decide on anything though. I do agree with what you've said.

Well, Aeolian Edge would be used in more case-specific situations, such as burning down adds or soloing. As part of a strict rotation... probably not too often. I mean I can see cases where you would use Aeolian Edge over debuffs or dots, and Raiton, I just see it as a more situational move right now.

As for Ninjutsu, with Huton lasting so long and Mudras on relatively short cooldowns (20 to 30 seconds), it should be easy to fit in another spell or two. There may be situations where you want to get out as much damage as you can than over time and Huton isn't going to be the optimal choice for that.

[Eardstapa]

I seem to recall that Pugilists and Monks strongest attacks don't even cross 200 potency. Think about that for a second.

Really hate to be a jerk here, but I will. Bootshine auto crit puts it at 225 potency. Also, Monk has a LOT of steroids. Dragon Kick, Twin Snakes, Fists of Fire, Greased Lightning itself.

EDIT: And if Huton works like Greased Lightning, it would seem for single targets, since SATA can be used every minute, a rotation of Huton/Raiton/Suiton (Suiton allows you to use SATA without hide) would be optimal... Considering Ninjutsu CD is around 20 seconds, that gives you enough time to prioritize it as Huton -> Suiton -> Raiton, with Huton being reset around 10 seconds, Suiton allowing you to use another SA or TA, and Raiton adding in a nice 360 potency attack, or 540 with Kass up.

EDIT 2: And do not discredit how useful it is, even if it is only Auto Attacks. I seem to recall someone stating their general auto attacks increased by around 40 hits... That is still DPS.

[Cynric]

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Yes I agree with you, honestly I really can't wait to play with this and start testing out the damage potential it has. It seems a little crazy. There's also tons of options and situations for you to do lots of different things. If it's 20 seconds like you say that really makes things a lot easier in terms of using it. The only thing I'm kind of wanting to really get my hands on to test out, is when you use Trick, and when you'll use sneak. It also seems like Mug ,Perfect Dodge, along with other survival skills will really help you out in in maxing that damage if you decide to go the frontal route.

I really really want to see the CD's on everything first hand now though so I can go crazy. Needless to say excitement level is peaked. The class looks genuinely fun.

@ Eardspota : Ninja has A LOT of steroids as well as more than just a couple of high potency attacks. Huton ( 70 S 15% ASPD buff ) 10% Slashing Debuff (20% with a warrior using storms path while also giving you more leeway in combos) Poison as well as a 20% DMG +(possibly more with trait) 10% DMG from Trick, and an OGCD that will let you always crit dat Raiton when its up. Those are some serious steroids. and we don't even have the traits yet!