Primal Predictions for 3.0

[Shai]

The question is more like "Are the Twelves primals, or beings similar to Moggle Mog, a myth you can summon with enough crystals"

There's no difference between a primal and Moggle Mog. The distinction the game makes is in historical precedence alone. If Eikon and Moggle Mog are simply "aether given material form and personality" then they are the same.

There are basically a lot of questions and mostly about what the true nature (or definition) of a primal is. The NPCs jibber jabber a lot about how Moggle Mog isn't a primal, but they describe primals and Moggle Mog in exactly the same way (thus they're the same). It's really like a case of "A rose by any other name" in my opinion.

If we want to argue and accept that anything can be summoned like a primal (and thus be a primal for all intents and purposes) if fed enough aether - then the question is are primals even a thing or are they just figments of the imagination. Are the Twelve really a thing? Is any of this real? It's all circular-ish logic based on the circularish descriptions we've been getting.

The real heart of this game lies in answering - what is the Echo?

[VargasVermillion]

There's no difference between a primal and Moggle Mog. The distinction the game makes is in historical precedence alone. If Eikon and Moggle Mog are simply "aether given material form and personality" then they are the same.

Primals are different because they existed long before the mortal races alongside the twelve, moggle mog is a myth given form.

[Morningstar1337]

Primals are different because they existed long before the mortal races alongside the twelve, moggle mog is a myth given form.

I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here and demand proof of this claim. For all we know the claim that the primals preceded the spoken races and beastmen might be a myth itself

[Grayve]

Primals are different because they existed long before the mortal races alongside the twelve, moggle mog is a myth given form.

That's rather impossible, I think, since we learned from the latest Ferne interview that Elder Primals are primals that where worshiped, stopped being worshipped, then were worshiped again... They are ancient, dating back eras, while the modern primals such as Ifrit are much younger. It was implied that they have only been worshiped for thousands of years. A long time, but nothing compared to the length of time Odin or Bahamut was worshiped.

[Alenore]

That's rather impossible, I think, since we learned from the latest Ferne interview that Elder Primals are primals that where worshiped, stopped being worshipped, then were worshiped again... They are ancient, dating back eras, while the modern primals such as Ifrit are much younger. It was implied that they have only been worshiped for thousands of years. A long time, but nothing compared to the length of time Odin or Bahamut was worshiped.

Or they never stopped being worshipped. Quite unlikely, but hey !

[Alberel]

Primals are different because they existed long before the mortal races alongside the twelve, moggle mog is a myth given form.

The lore in this game is deliberately susceptible to bias and error based on the source of that information. All the knowledge we have of the Twelve and the primals comes from those who worship them; those who are biased to believe they are more than whatever they really are. There is no actual proof that any of them ever existed in any mortal form prior to being summoned for the first time. For all we know the entire concept of gods in Eorzea came from the Ascians as it seems summoning anything furthers whatever their ultimate goal is.

The only 'god' of any kind we know for certain exists or existed is Hydaelyn as she is the only one we have directly encountered. Anything else is purely based on myth and legend within the game and the reliability of such information is entirely open to debate.

[Alenore]

Well we did meet a few primals as well, who are considered as god by their followers.
Hydaelyn isn't more a god to us than Ifrit is a god to Amalj'aa.

[VargasVermillion]

I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here and demand proof of this claim. For all we know the claim that the primals preceded the spoken races and beastmen might be a myth itself

Ramuh mentions that "in the beginning no such duality existed. Were light and dark given form when man was born?" This implies that ramuh has existed longer than even hydaelyn. This is only one example though so it could be confirmed to be misinterpreted or something.

[Meier]

Ivalice summons, maybe? Idk, those symbols ascians have on their face are upside down from FF12...but who knows lol.

[Baithin]

The way I saw it, the Ivalician summons (Mateus, Shemhazai, Adrammalech, etc) are the "primals" of the Ascians... dark versions of the Twelve gods that most of Eorzea worships, with their primary god being Zodiark, the 13th Zodiac. Opposed to Zodiark's darkness is Hydaelyn, the spirit of the planet, and Her Light. Further evidence supporting this is the names of all the Ascians revealed so far being associated with the Ivalician espers... For example, Lahabrea is associated with Mateus, so we could see Lahabrea summoning Mateus in the future...

Eventually it'd be cool to fight all those dark primals. But since there's so many it might be unreasonable to assume we'd get them all...

As for the primal/elder primal debate, as far as I know, the only Elder Primals confirmed so far are Bahamut and Odin, correct? Midgardsormr as a Primal could be cool - I like the theory that the Dravanians' faith revived him as a primal.

Nidhogg the Wyrmking COULD be a Primal. We don't know yet.

I'd love to see Alexander as a Primal in Ishgard, but since he's mechanical in every version of him so far it might be a little far-fetched... I think it's more likely that he'd be another Allagan weapon, perhaps one secretly built to counter Ultima Weapon?

Knights of the Round could be interesting!

But they also said we'd get totally new Primals unseen in any FF game before, so bets are off as to what those could be.