Keep past content out of Cash Shop

[Moqi]

There were no 1.x Yukatas last year

Why give the 2013 items too then?

[Negotiator]

In a more perfect world, all expansions would be free, and all extra content for console games wouldn't be stripped and sold for DLC. Costumes would be available in-game like we used to get with cheat codes. However, Cash Shops and exclusive add-ons have proven themselves as profitable. The vocal minority (that's you) are going to speak out against it.

Yes, always and forever I'll speak out against it. People that haven't spoken let it get this bad with games and I’m tired of it. My point - Just because everyone else does it now, doesn’t mean it should be so easily accepted or done when it's already proven that game is successful without it.

Except if they plan on buying it, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE, NOT YOURS. Stop believing you are doing others a service by literally acting like they will spend the moon only because that a cash shop is opening up.

I said ppl can do what they want with their money. Also it’s not me assuming people will buy the moon, they’re the one acting like that. In reality in mmos that have cash shops, there is a small minority that buy everything under the sun, while the rest purchase at a steady rate.

Especially a Vanity only Cash Shop which hurts absolutely no one past collector's(which won't even be that bad if Squenix doesn't have the minions be locked when you buy them, meaning people can buy them off others with Gil).
All you are doing is just being an ass, let them do what they do and you what you do.

That’s just being blatant RMTing.
(Please don't talk about my pony)

[LittleArrow]

Also, the Festival npc sold past items for events that you've already done (I'm almost positive).

If you check out the original post you'll see images of the NPC's and lists of their merchandise. That merchandise was offered to every player whether they finished it or not. I didn't finish some of the 1.xx content and was able to pick those costumes up. It was an amazing feature that they took out in order to sell for money.

This idea that the vocal 'minority' can't change anything is disheartening to hear. We have changed things in the past. Look at the housing prices. They weren't supposed to go any lower than a specified amount, but due to player outcry (on these forums) it was changed.

Just look at how GW2 forums changed a recently implemented feature within 24hrs - http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/...-of-complaints

If those of us that simply accepted this without question looked into SE's new change of practice, and if those customers expressed what was fair and wasn't, the company would listen. They have before. ^^

[Nominous]

-snipping intensifies-

I'm not saying it's impossible. Actually, that'd be contradictory to another one of my posts (or maybe I didn't post it lol) where I explicitly say that the community has been the reason for many tweaks in the game.

I'm just saying that it's really unlikely, given what people want. That is, for them to either nix the idea altogether (in which case, they just wasted a ton of time on the implementation of it, and it's contents), or for them to make alternative ways to earn them. I don't have to explain why the first option isn't happening. But, I think people don't understand that having an alternative method to gaining 'exclusive' items, means the shop would be a lot less marketable. Again, vote with your wallet instead of making this huge deal out of something that... really isn't. This is a business decision of theirs, and making it less marketable for 'moral value' is hardly going to sit well with higher-ups.

[Nominous]

Oh, and speaking on the seasonal items that are now being offered as cash shop instead...Since that seems to be YOUR main worry, anyway...

So now, all of a sudden, people want these items so bad? I understand the swimsuit thing for females, because that's actually something I see glamoured a lot. But everything else? In my one year of playing, and thousands of players I've seen, I've only ever met one person who continuously uses a pumpkin-head glamour, and maybe 3 who wear anything else that's obtained from a seasonal event. That's with your precious event-vendor intact, and it being publicly available to everyone. With so few people actually interested in collecting this gear (and even fewer actually wearing it), it's mind-boggling how people exploded on this topic.

I almost want to compare it to the mindset of a little kid, who's parent is throwing away an old toy that they never play with anymore. Sure it was there, but if the kid isn't playing with it, then there's no reason to keep it around, cluttering space. The community is sort of identical to the kid in that situation, when they cry, even though they haven't cared about that toy for months. Except for in this case, they're selling it back to you. It's stuff that not only looks kind of crappy, but is affordable, and won't break the bank. At this point, you're arguing principles and morality, which, as a business, they don't really care about. Unless, of course, it somehow leads to them making less money. (Hint- Don't buy it if you want to send a message)

[Roris]

Oh, and speaking on the seasonal items that are now being offered as cash shop instead...Since that seems to be YOUR main worry, anyway...

So now, all of a sudden, people want these items so bad? I understand the swimsuit thing for females, because that's actually something I see glamoured a lot. But everything else? In my one year of playing, and thousands of players I've seen, I've only ever met one person who continuously uses a pumpkin-head glamour, and maybe 3 who wear anything else that's obtained from a seasonal event. That's with your precious event-vendor intact, and it be publicly available to everyone. With so few people actually interested in collecting this gear (and even fewer actually wearing it), it's mind-boggling how people exploded on this topic.

Well that might be your personal experience and opinion but I've seen plenty of people wearing all the vanity that's glamourable both on the server and on the DF. The people you don't see are probably because they couldn't obtain them in the first place, especially PS4 players who didn't even get a chance to do the events because that version launched on April 2014, so now they're screwed because the only way to get them is to buy them from the cash shop.

If that isn't a disadvantage I don't know what is. Why should they be punished, as minor of a punishment as you think not being able to get vanity in game is, because of their platform of choice? Why shouldn't a brand new player have a chance at getting those items in game, a player brand new to Final Fantasy even, who didn't follow the game at all? PS4 players that got the game around September this year or before that got the chance to get last year's swimsuits along with the 1.0 yukatas, so why just limit it to that event, even though past events also offered previous items? It wasn't even because it was the anniversary event, though admittedly it was included under that umbrella of events, but the actual anniversary event came out about a month later.

Around 5 or so seasonal events since launch had included previous 1.0 event items and even one event included 2.0 items all purchasable with gil, even if you didn't do those events in both 1.0 and 2.0, so why stop doing that just now after all this time? People keep saying they need the money, well they needed that money even more before ARR's launch, so why not straight up announce a cash shop at launch?. Why not clearly state that event items would be one off only, and would later be placed in the cash shop since the very start?

This is also a question that no one seems to answer, not even a simple "well it's their game so they do what they want and don't have to answer to anyone!" which would be a terrible response but would still be a response. "Well plans change" would also be a terrible response because why change their plans so late? They had less money before, so a cash shop would make more sense before when they needed those extra funds. So now that the game is successful and has 2.5 million adventurers they, understandably, want more money? But wait, didn't they have less money before than now, so why not launch with it in the first place? Doesn't make sense, or rather it does make plenty of sense business wise I guess, especially now that those 2.5 million adventures are potential cash shop buyers. If people do end up buying from it that is, bless their souls.

[LittleArrow]

Just a point I'd like to make. I'm not for sure if these items are account bound. I'll be editing my main post. Again, I apologize for this mistake. I still feel the point stands that this is unfair to players to sell items that were free are now being sold.

[maxthunder1]

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I started in august of this year and was unable to get those items because I wasnt there, and was looking forward to buying the items for halloween and x-mas, but Ill be damned if I pay cash for them. They should have done what they have done in the past first. As of say January 2015 all those items could have been put in the cash shop or they could have given players a notice instead of trying to pull a fast one. My question is why the sudden need for a cash shop? Is ARR not doing that well? Has Yoshi not been honest with how many subscriptions the game has? There is more to this story than whats being told or not told.

[Alukah]

Just look at how GW2 forums changed a recently implemented feature within 24hrs - http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/...-of-complaints

There's a lot I dislike about GW2, but I do love the involvement of ArenaNet with the community, something many companies would do well to learn.

Yoshida's team is also involved with the community, but to a much lesser extent, and I always feel like there's a sort of disconnect between the devs and the community, I started feeling this when they gave that excuse prior to removing glazenut from the magicked stable broom recipe, they "didn't know" it would be expensive.

[Zish]

I think it's quite silly to offer items as part of an event one year, and then remove them and sell them for cash the next.

I was really looking forward to having the reindeer costume on my little lala this year, but I guess now I'll have to buy it if I really want it.

I just, shouldn't have to. Keep the items as you've had them, and simply create NEW seasonal items to put on the cash shop.