Keep past content out of Cash Shop

[Amberion]

Oh, and speaking on the seasonal items that are now being offered as cash shop instead...Since that seems to be YOUR main worry, anyway...

So now, all of a sudden, people want these items so bad? I understand the swimsuit thing for females, because that's actually something I see glamoured a lot.

Just because event items in the past as you claim haven't been nice enough for people to wear. Who is to say that it will be that way all the time?

[LittleArrow]

[...] (Hint- Don't buy it if you want to send a message)

This has been brought up in this thread before. This is not a valid option for sending a message to SE.

Particularly with F2P it's been proven that a few very wealthy players pay enough in the cash shop to support it. They call them "whales," and account for less than 10% of the community. Although this is a particularly bad feature for F2P games, not P2P games like FFXIV, the basic idea is the few deep pockets will always speak louder than the unhappy thin pockets. This minority gets favored since they continually put in extra money. This unbalance totally destroys any sort of message we could send. Simply saying, "don't buy it" isn't the answer. It isn't accurate, and it doesn't address the bigger issue here - our complaints and concerns.

Extra credits even did a video on this, check it out of you want to know more. The video is more concerned with F2P titles, but explains the basic idea of trying to attract big spending players which, alienates those that "don't buy it" over time.

[Bartleby]

I've been handing out Dream Hats/Tunics/Boots as well as Usagi Kabutos for as cheap as I can buy them from the Calamity Salvager here on Excalibur. Helps out new players who didn't get the chance to get these items as well as denies potential future sales to the cash shop should these items be added in the future. I encourage other people to do this as well on their server if you really want to help other players out/protest the cash shop.

[Nominous]

I see a lot of (likely not the majority) of players on my server with the vanity gear. Poor PS4 players who never had the chance to get the gear! D: It's somehow a disadvantage to not have something that is vanity only, and only hurts your experience if you're someone who thinks the option alone of having everything, means everything. Poor. PS4. Players. Why not say that the ability would be removed eventually, to buy these older event items from 1.0/previous events? Bless the souls of those poor PS4 players. Doesn't Square Enix have enough money?!

Satire aside, go tally up the people on your server who have prior seasonal event gear glamoured. The ratio will likely always be in favor of those who don't use them. I'm of the mindset that people don't care enough, because if they did, where were all of the, "When is this event coming back! PETITION" threads? Exactly.

The argument that PS4 players couldn't get them, and now it's being charged for? Tough luck. There's all kinds of things that operate like this, you know, back in the real world. Game is cheaper through your favorite company (whom you always give your business), and only for a day, but you weren't able to make it in? Too bad, you may never see that deal again. I could make a list of comparisons, but you get the idea. Common business practice to have things that are at one point free, or cheaper, then charge for them down the road.

It isn't a disadvantage. You just want the option alone, to have everything you want in the game, without any questions asked, regardless of your intent to use it (or lack thereof). It's pixels to make your character look different. Of which, you have plenty of options to mess around with. I assure you, you aren't hurting for more customization, especially in light of how they've treated patches lately, adding tons of clothing options. Honestly, people are mad that they didn't (or couldn't) attend an event, and still want the items for free? Continuing with this train of thought...

Where's all of the people complaining that they can't have a Moogle outfit, because they weren't able to go to Fan Fest, or pay 20 dollars for a premium stream on top of their oh-so-woeful subscription fee? It's literally the same logic. You pay a sub fee, and you should have access to a Moogle costume, by your logic. Yet you don't see ANYBODY complaining about that. Think about that.

I'm almost positive someone made a post earlier in this thread, about how eventually they WOULD stop selling past event items like that. If they didn't, they aren't contractually obligated to tell you these things. Simple.

Finally, when did you become their business consultant? This is why I tend to try and stay as neutral, or developer/business side of these arguments. You are in no position to tell them they're making enough money. Gamers like to put a veil on like business politics don't, or shouldn't touch video games. You're an adult (I hope), you should know that this, like anything else, is subject to these things. Your money is important to them, but your sub-fee doesn't mean they can't seek alternate avenues of money-gain. You have to put on your business-person thinking mind if you're going to talk about something directly involving it. And my business-person mind tells me that, even if we're doing good, we can always do better in terms of profit. That's not wrong, that's just trying to be as profitable a business you can be. As far as morals go, this is HARDLY reaching territory of other companies.

People take SE for granted.

[Moqi]

"When is this event coming back! PETITION" threads? Exactly.

There weren't because there was no need to, we used to get the vendor that would sell old gear. Non-seasonal events tho... a lot of people were asking for the Lightning Returns event to come back prior to the Anniversary, and plenty of people still use some of that gear. Lighting's chest, Snow's axe and legs are very popular even now.

And you don't see seasonal gear all year round, but when around that particular holiday people do like to glamour their outfits with event gear, or change their chocobo barding.

[Nominous]

There weren't because there was no need to, we used to get the vendor that would sell old gear. Non-seasonal events tho... a lot of people were asking for the Lightning Returns event to come back prior to the Anniversary, and plenty of people still use some of that gear. Lighting's chest, Snow's axe and legs are very popular even now.

And you don't see seasonal gear all year round, but when around that particular holiday people do like to glamour their outfits with event gear, or change their chocobo barding.

Sorry, haha, was editing the post. I didn't know I could FULL RANT LIKE A BADASS. Also, you don't make much sense there. Nobody made threads about it because they apparently knew, and it was free, but NOW they ARE making threads about this exact thing. If they didn't know about the vendor, it still stands that they didn't give a crap then, because they didn't make any hate threads about bringing back events. If they did know about the vendor, the statement I made is still true, they should have all the equipment by now, and not care. But... here we are.

[Moqi]

Well this:

Where's all of the people complaining that they can't have a Moogle outfit, because they weren't able to go to Fan Fest, or pay 20 dollars for a premium stream on top of their oh-so-woeful subscription fee? It's literally the same logic. You're mad that you pay a sub fee, and you should have access to a Moogle costume. How unfair of Square-Enix to offer those to people who could afford to go to Fan Fest, or give them 20 dollars, but not me! Think about that.

has been discussed to death too. A lot of people are fine with that because it is not the same thing. I get that's there 19 pages here and over a hunderd on the other thread, but you're likely not to come up with any new arguement... unless you wanna talk about the Calamity Salvager again

Nobody made threads about it because they apparently knew, and it was free, but NOW they ARE making threads about this exact thing. If they didn't know about the vendor, it still stands that they don't give a crap, because they didn't make any hate threads about bringing back events. If they did know about the vendor, the statement I made is still true, they should have all the equipment by now, and not care.

What does this even mean? You asked why no one wanted seasonal items back... and it's because they already knew they'd be back. No need to ask for it. But they were asking for events back that were not seasonal because they knew they would not be back. It makes perfect sense.

[RaddCuban]

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I don't glamour the items, but I do wear them when the event is around and I'm just running around having some fun. Seven hells, my friends and I even threw a couple of fireworks beach parties in the swimsuits. I don't want to wear them permanently, but I do want the option to be festive and not have to wear the new "HOT" things that everyone else and their mother is wearing. Why should people that want to be festive be forced to open up their wallets for it?

Your analogy is full of holes let me fix that up a little bit. It is more like the parents taking the toy away and putting it in storage and asking you to do the chores that would normally earn you your allowance to get it back, at least that works more closely for old players who happened to miss the events.
(Continued - all these double posts are making me lose my mind.)

[RaddCuban]

(C-c-c-continued)
So how is not buying to send a message gonna achieve anything that is better than asking for the option to earn it in game? You yourself said that they are not going to go back with their plans of implementing it. Not buying doesn't make them less money than they are already making it just stops them from making even more. Only cancellation of subs will cut into their revenue. So they have no incentive to not keep the shop around and exclusive in hopes we eventually cave. In the end if we don't buy from it they will still implement, and we still won't get the items.

[Moqi]

Seven hells, my friends and I even threw a couple of fireworks beach parties in the swimsuits.

I bought stacks of 99 of fireworks before the event ended. I still use them, they're fun (and I'm not the only one, did T2 recently and I wasn't the only one using them while we were waiting for enrage).