Hey, Sincerely Thank You SE for easing up on Coil

[Skeith-Adeline]

Nyaruko... T7, fireballing (or getting hit) a frozen (stoned) target will not kill them after this nerf. No matter what gear you're in, you cannot replicate that.

[Luvbunny]

Even in XI they never went easy on ENDGAME stuff.

Yes - that was back during the Tanaka era, the dark ages lol. FFXI NOW is a much better experience, they have difficulty setting in place so you can choose to go for easy, normal, hard and very hard mode. The reward drop rate goes up as the difficulty goes up, very fair and balanced risk ratio. Delve, also a raid content, has options where you can go with 6 players, or 12, or 18 (or any numbers in between, say 8, or 10 etc). The Boss HP goes up for every player you added.

The 6 person set up is actually more difficult since you have very little room for error and everyone needs to bring their A game. If there is one thing FF14 should copy from FFXI, this would be it. Not surprisingly, Matsui used to work on FF14 Version 2. It's time to bring that man back or at least get him to collaborate again. Yoshi may be the star, but lets not forget Matsui who did so much to revamp FFXI in a year and put forth so much content that Tanaka never will.

[Kinseykinz]

Just find a static already.

To be clear, I could work for a couple weeks, pug in DF and find a static. Not only that, I've been in statics before.

1st Static was great....until it broke up over a lotting mishap (it really was an accident that some poor bloke thought he could lot on the Monk gloves but OMG the tempers that ensued)
2nd Static was only to clear T5...the people were lovely...but OMG they wasted so much of my time AFK, playing with their cats, children etc...while on a run (homegirl ain't got time for that) So while I still occasionally help out with this team (they are in-game friends), I don't want to commit to it, because seriously, they waste that much time AFK it drives my 'type A-ness' up the wall
I haven't joined in any other statics or pugs. Why?
1. I was trying to catch my old FC mates and friends up to me in content....and this took MONTHS
2. I decided that it is more fun to wait, but beat the content with people you like, than a random team of people who more or less are using you to get what they want (the shinies)
3, Now I'm pregnant. Morning sickness has totally NOT been my friend...and I seriously doubt you'd want your WHM (or SMN as it is my secondary and a critical role on some turns), running afk mid-battle to puke. And yes, I have sadly had this happen on dungeon/ST runs ...not cool, totally not cool. Now that portion of my pregnancy IS fading...but I'm still left with the in 5ish months I likely will be AWOL from game and/or unable to keep a steady schedule due to you know, needing to actually tend to said minion. So NOW I won't even join a static in my new FC (and it has been offered) because I don't want to leave them hanging in a couple months.

So I fill in. Yes, some of it is by choice...but that doesn't negate my desire to see the story, help others progress or wish for BC2 to be unlocked (and more or less un-nerfed for a while)

And this is just me.

I've known people that work rotating shifts who simply can't find a static due to not being online the same days times.

I've known people who can't log in at 'normal' hours to join statics with people they know....and playing with strangers just isn't their cup of tea

I've known people who after a 'drop drama' are that turned off from statics they refuse to re-join one.

I've also known people who've tried hard ....for months on end to form static teams, only to remain 6/8 and get frustrated. It really IS hard to form a static team w/ 7 other random strangers who have nothing in common other than wanting to beat T6-9. It is much easier if you are at least partially from the same FC/LS. But many FC's have yet to even have 50% of their members clear T5 (yes, this is actually true)....so some people, love their FC but literally have NO ONE they can play with in T6+. Others are in Coil static FC's but they are '3rd DPS in line'....and well, so they can find 2 other dps friends, but then are stuck recruiting 2 tanks/2 healers...not exactly the easiest thing when tanks/healers can make their own rules due to limited supply/talent.

And lastly, not everyone is a 'go-getter' or leader. Even in your Static, likely only 1-3 of you probably actively sought out other members....the other members, just happened to find you, like you and stick with you. They didn't try to start their own thing, they wanted to JOIN an established thing. Lots of people prefer joining than leading...and this is okay....but it means a lot of shy, capable people are sitting on the sidelines waiting for the Unlock.

So yeah, in some ways you're right, people really desperate should just 'form their own' groups and get in there already. But not everyone is THAT desperate...and even for those who are, many understand 'I just can't commit to that'. And there are A LOT of people who for the reasons I listed above, really simply can't make a commitment to a team. It's not even about finding people...it's committing to them. Many of us can wait...we'd just prefer the wait was shortened and not accompanied by an auto-nerf right off the bat. I fully realize I made a decision that playing with friends, and taking care of my RL is more important than getting pretend shinies after killing pixelated beasties. I just wish SE didn't more or less force people to sit in the sidelines beyond when the content was relevant (And yes, not allowing it to be DFable/locking people out after a weekly clear is a 'force')

[Exstal]

Use the level appropriate gear then. Do titan HM in darklight or worse gear. You don't need the old stuff preserved exactly to be equivalent. Different is not wrong or bad. It is just different.

You're attacking the wrong portion of my comment. The person you were quoting is talking about mechanic nerfs. They want a Coil that mechanically the same as inception and, more than likely, a version that has lesser mechanics. Echo does absolutely jack in terms of mechanics. Just makes you survive longer and DPS harder than previously possible (even in same gear).

For example, my group did Binding Coil: Turn 2 with Allagan Rot. 1 Bard, 2 Paldins for silence. If we missed a silence for any reason, we were paralyzed for the 30s. No way out of it. Now? Could do it the same way, in the exact same gear, if we miss a silence can just cleanse it all off. That's never going to change.

Nyaruko... T7, fireballing (or getting hit) a frozen (stoned) target will not kill them after this nerf. No matter what gear you're in, you cannot replicate that.

Exactly the same as this.

[Coatl]

Yay nerfed coil so I can learn it in df, suck eggs snow flakes.

What would be stopping you from learning through DF without a nerf?

[Tupsi]

What would be stopping you from learning through DF without a nerf?

The only thing: SE doesn't throw it into DF till they nerf it. Aside that, nothing stopped them from learning the content aside the fact it's not content you can face roll if you've barely got through T5.

[LaurelinKementari]

What would be stopping you from learning through DF without a nerf?

I'm curious as to how exactly you were planning to beat ADS, for example, in DF if the DF ended up throwing you in a party with no silencers. (And yes, that can happen.) People would never even get to Caduceus in turn 1. So either they nerfed that mechanic so it could be esuna'd, or they kept Coil off DF.

[ReplicaX]

For example, my group did Binding Coil: Turn 2 with Allagan Rot. 1 Bard, 2 Paldins for silence. If we missed a silence for any reason, we were paralyzed for the 30s. No way out of it. Now? Could do it the same way, in the exact same gear, if we miss a silence can just cleanse it all off. That's never going to change.

T2 ADS...

I really wish SE fixed the enrage when it was discovered within the first months of release. Rot is actually a decent mechanic many ppl haven't even experienced pre and post nerf sadly.

[Lito00]

To be clear, I could work for a couple weeks, pug in DF and find a static. Not only that, I've been in statics before.

1st Static was great....until it broke up over a lotting mishap (it really was an accident that some poor bloke thought he could lot on the Monk gloves but OMG the tempers that ensued)
2nd Static was only to clear T5...the people were lovely...but OMG they wasted so much of my time AFK, playing with their cats, children etc...while on a run (homegirl ain't got time for that) So while I still occasionally help out with this team (they are in-game friends), I don't want to commit to it, because seriously, they waste that much time AFK it drives my 'type A-ness' up the wall
I haven't joined in any other statics or pugs. Why?
1. I was trying to catch my old FC mates and friends up to me in content....and this took MONTHS
2. I decided that it is more fun to wait, but beat the content with people you like, than a random team of people who more or less are using you to get what they want (the shinies)
3, Now I'm pregnant. Morning sickness has totally NOT been my friend...and I seriously doubt you'd want your WHM (or SMN as it is my secondary and a critical role on some turns), running afk mid-battle to puke. And yes, I have sadly had this happen on dungeon/ST runs ...not cool, totally not cool. Now that portion of my pregnancy IS fading...but I'm still left with the in 5ish months I likely will be AWOL from game and/or unable to keep a steady schedule due to you know, needing to actually tend to said minion. So NOW I won't even join a static in my new FC (and it has been offered) because I don't want to leave them hanging in a couple months.

So I fill in. Yes, some of it is by choice...but that doesn't negate my desire to see the story, help others progress or wish for BC2 to be unlocked (and more or less un-nerfed for a while)

And this is just me.

I've known people that work rotating shifts who simply can't find a static due to not being online the same days times.

I've known people who can't log in at 'normal' hours to join statics with people they know....and playing with strangers just isn't their cup of tea

I've known people who after a 'drop drama' are that turned off from statics they refuse to re-join one.

I've also known people who've tried hard ....for months on end to form static teams, only to remain 6/8 and get frustrated. It really IS hard to form a static team w/ 7 other random strangers who have nothing in common other than wanting to beat T6-9. It is much easier if you are at least partially from the same FC/LS. But many FC's have yet to even have 50% of their members clear T5 (yes, this is actually true)....so some people, love their FC but literally have NO ONE they can play with in T6+. Others are in Coil static FC's but they are '3rd DPS in line'....and well, so they can find 2 other dps friends, but then are stuck recruiting 2 tanks/2 healers...not exactly the easiest thing when tanks/healers can make their own rules due to limited supply/talent.

And lastly, not everyone is a 'go-getter' or leader. Even in your Static, likely only 1-3 of you probably actively sought out other members....the other members, just happened to find you, like you and stick with you. They didn't try to start their own thing, they wanted to JOIN an established thing. Lots of people prefer joining than leading...and this is okay....but it means a lot of shy, capable people are sitting on the sidelines waiting for the Unlock.

So yeah, in some ways you're right, people really desperate should just 'form their own' groups and get in there already. But not everyone is THAT desperate...and even for those who are, many understand 'I just can't commit to that'. And there are A LOT of people who for the reasons I listed above, really simply can't make a commitment to a team. It's not even about finding people...it's committing to them. Many of us can wait...we'd just prefer the wait was shortened and not accompanied by an auto-nerf right off the bat. I fully realize I made a decision that playing with friends, and taking care of my RL is more important than getting pretend shinies after killing pixelated beasties. I just wish SE didn't more or less force people to sit in the sidelines beyond when the content was relevant (And yes, not allowing it to be DFable/locking people out after a weekly clear is a 'force')

Thank you for being one of the few people who have given a clear points for the majority of players. We aren't all casual noobs, or super hardcore elites. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle.

I, personally, cleared T1-5 before the nerf, but am struggling to get my static through T6-9. We have been a group with 6/8 members for months (half a year)... and when we get a new person, another person seems to always drop off. As a result, I have a static that struggles trying to clear T6-8 regularly (because we have to PUG 1-2 players each week)... let alone getting solid time in T9 to down that.

Getting good T9 time in without nerfs would be a dream of mine. I know I can do it. I know my static can do it. And with other FC friends, we certainly could. Yay for no lockouts! But doing it after it has been nerfed as well will make the victory feel hollow (at least to me).

Anyway, I am not going to participate in the discussion at large, but I just had to give you a shout out. I gave you a 'Like' but it just wasn't enough. Thank you for being a voice of the majority. Not just a voice from "one side" or "the other".

[Riko_Futatabi]

I'm curious as to how exactly you were planning to beat ADS, for example, in DF if the DF ended up throwing you in a party with no silencers. (And yes, that can happen.) People would never even get to Caduceus in turn 1. So either they nerfed that mechanic so it could be esuna'd, or they kept Coil off DF.

This thread has a lot of circling around and no one really "getting it". Coil on release should have had "Normal(Easy like story missions)" "Hard(Current)" and "Extreme(Savage I guess)" and on duty finder once cleared. I find the tiering for fights in the game weird though, something is off.

Example: Garuda(Story)>Garuda(Hard)>Garuda(Extreme), this is fine. But recently the (Hard) tiers have been given the story mode treatment and then you jump to (Extreme). Levi and Ramuh are the ones I'm talking about and Shiva soon.

The (Extreme) fights for Levi and Ramuh are fine. But the Hard modes should offer something else and probably be a little harder and have some sort of loot instead of a measly 15~20 myth(seriously, f*** Myth). The current Levi and Ramuh "hard modes" should be stripped of the hard mode title. Why label something "hard" when you have nothing previous to compare that difficulty to? lol

Different ilvl of gear or different gear entirely should be offered from those different tiered fights as well.