Correction of prices for optional items

[silentwindfr]

let's use number, will you... we know that we are more of 2.000.000 subscriber (more close of 2.5M) and that the minimal sub is 12.99 dollars per month, meaning for 2M sub they earn at least 25.980.000 dollars per month for a total of 311.176.000 per years (if the subs stay around this) seriously...

do they really really need the cash shop, with this much money coming in per month? (and it's probably far more) i doubt it. however, i have already said it in the english or french forum, i will have let it slide if it was old content they don't plan to bring back via vendor ingame. for new player to get them (like lightning return event stuff). but, i'm not sure all the money earn by FF14 is really reinvested into the game... i will be blunt, how can they have decide that upgrade the server... that limite them creation and add of content... to be the last resort when they get soo many money!

we all know that SE was in critical situation when FF14 ARR did come out and that the game did save them... but i wonder if actually they don't use this money for other game like FF15 and kingdom heart 3 (this one will probably make a tons of money) and i'm concerned to see them try to get more money from us...when we still wait to have some important issus solved like the server trouble and latency for a large part of the community.

i still wait to see yoshida come tell us why he did take this decision, and why for him the server upgrade is the last resort option, when it clearly block them in them devellopement of the game! they need to be more transparent about some decision they take.

[Lux_Rayna]

let's use number, will you... we know that we are more of 2.000.000 subscriber (more close of 2.5M) and that the minimal sub is 12.99 dollars per month, meaning for 2M sub they earn at least 25.980.000 dollars per month for a total of 311.176.000 per years (if the subs stay around this) seriously...

You should probably consider expenses and liabilities into that equation. I know a doctor who makes about 750k a year between all of his assets, and is routinely thousands of dollars in the negative. Just because you bring in a lot of revenue doesn't mean you get to keep most of it.

[Nakiamiie]

You should probably consider expenses and liabilities into that equation. I know a doctor who makes about 750k a year between all of his assets, and is routinely thousands of dollars in the negative. Just because you bring in a lot of revenue doesn't mean you get to keep most of it.

Then he should take a course in accounting, bookkeeping or something like that.
Furthermore, it's probably related to using expensive medication and the latest technology to treat diseases. It's worth it.

Here, we're talking about a game company. Sure, the servers and stuff cost a lot of money, but with that amount, FFXIV:ARR is covered.
I'm paying for FFXIV:ARR, not the other games I don't play. They should put their stupid cash shop in those other games eating their revenues.

[Gardes]

Well, it was revealed that XI at 500k subs was hugely profitable and the money went to funding other games. XIV's 2-2.5 million is far from accurate for month to month sub rate but if it's at least the same as XI back then, it should also be massive profits, even if you consider that the dev team is probably bigger than XIs. But then again, they recently revealed at how small their combat dev team is so it can't be that much larger so I think salary costs wouldn't be so big that it cuts SE's profits that much. So I'm skeptical that the money coming from cash shop is going back into the game.

[silentwindfr]

You should probably consider expenses and liabilities into that equation. I know a doctor who makes about 750k a year between all of his assets, and is routinely thousands of dollars in the negative. Just because you bring in a lot of revenue doesn't mean you get to keep most of it.

i highly doubt the game cost them more of 20.000.000 a month or they have really need to check where the money go. anyway, we know the game did save the company, meaning the profit is far more important than the developpement, the cost of the server and the maintenance.

i can understand that they want to make other game and such, but i did read stuff that have disturb me a lot about game like FF15, the director did admit that the console gaming in japan is dying and that FF15 is one of the game of the last chance for the console gaming in japan. (ok it maybe too strong and self centered i doubt only one game can save the console gaming in japan and we don't talk of handheld console, but console like ps4/xbox one and such) but i will be extremely upset to learn that a lot of the money made by FF14:ARR was used for FF15. when we know that the game definitivly need improvement in some area quite critical, like the latency of the european/oceanic player... or simply the capacity of the server too small for the game and his developement.

[Eej]

It is entirely possible that this is the kind of thing where Yoshi P and the FFXIV dev team have their hands tied. Square Enix might pocket most of the money from the cash shop and divert it to other projects but they may have promised x amount of the money from sales to go back to FFXIV and SE might have adjusted the FFXIV budget to compensate. I mean, one of the luxury things that some publishers shell out a lot of cash for is a live orchestra for music recording and as we've seen from Fanfest, most of the music is just Soken, his synthesizer, his band and maybe a vocalist.

Also, Yoshi P says that the game has massive databases attached to each character. Whether or not it's the most efficient way of doing what they do is debatable but they need tons of extra server power and storage to keep up with your character savestate, which pushes them way ahead of FFXI in server load.

[LittleArrow]

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I definitely agree that this could be out of Yoshi's hands. We may need to accept the cash shop. However, we can at least set some terms on what we find acceptable and not. In my petition thread ( http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-of-Cash-Shop ) that's exactly what I'm trying to do. Whether people agree or disagree, any sort of constructive criticism is good so long as it isn't downright name calling (imo). That's where I drew the line, items that were in the game last year for free (aside from your sub cost which is kind of obvious and some gil) are now being sold for real money. Not just real money but incredibly expensive - 5$ per pumpkin hat and costume PER character - that's 30$ per each character.

[DCILuther]

Seasonal Items, I can see both side of the arguments. But what about the minions/pet? I want an Yda minion but I don't want to pay extra for it. Shouldn't I get an option to obtain in an event in game? or Is it available via cash shop only? This is the problem that I have with this currently.

Edit* Please don't use the argument of "entitlement".

[SongJoohee]

You should probably consider expenses and liabilities into that equation. I know a doctor who makes about 750k a year between all of his assets, and is routinely thousands of dollars in the negative. Just because you bring in a lot of revenue doesn't mean you get to keep most of it.

If Final Fantasy XIV is still operating at a loss after the release of ARR they need to really fire some accounting staff. This game lacks where most don't in so many departments with the same old server limitations excuse dragged out every time,, just a few examples, we still lack proper European servers, other games are miraculously able to give every character a house, rather than a small handful, uou have to pay monthly for additional storage space, other games have them as a one-off cost, and those games, don't even have subscription costs (GW2/Path of Exile, on GW2 it's cheaper to buy extra storage one off than the monthly cost on FFXIV....), the game even had a 300ms delay because of server limitations which they eventually changed to 100ms... in instances, this 300ms delay in combination with European servers in Canada was the cause of 1000s or not 10000s of EU players frustrations which took months to get fixed.

Except I wouldn't be surprised if it is running a lot a loss despite all the claims of the game being highly successful and selling more than they ever imagined. Even with Yoshida saying before he prefers subscriptions as it provides stability for planning how much content they make. Square Enix has a history of saying games which have sold well have been failures (Sleeping Dogs, Hitman Absolution and Tomb Raider), and haven't met targets, they obviously have budgeting problems somewhere. I wonder if it's the same with FFXIV, despite all the talk of it being a success and surpassing targets.

edit: Massively multiplayer online role playing games such as “FINAL FANTASY XIV” and “DRAGON QUEST X,” have been making favorable progress.

From Financial Report from this year. http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ne...q1earnings.pdf

Sounds like Profit to me.

[Galliano]

Miss out on what? A pet? Oh man, that's really going to hinder my playstyle. I'll never clear coil now.

Last time I checked the Nutkin pet was 7mil on excal (more than a small house). That clearly shows pets are a big part of the game to a lot of people. It may not take away from your play style having pets in the cash shop, but many people get a lot of enjoyment out of hunting these things down and finally getting the drop. After all isn't that what a game is about? giving you pleasure and entertaining you? If people find enjoyment in something other than endgame then a cash shop is taking away from their experience.

It's also a matter of principal, nobody enjoys being asked to pay extra when they are already paying for something. The whole reason a lot of people play sub games is to avoid cash shops and Yoshi P even mentioned in the past that our sub would cover all content, seems they decided now that 2.5 million players subbing wasn't lining their pockets enough.