Hey, Sincerely Thank You SE for easing up on Coil

[VahnValbosce]

No it wont. This is a gross overreaction.

15% echo buff and 20 item level jump, if that's not enough of a Nerf for you then you are simply not taking the time to learn any of the mechanics or you are not taking the time to join a free company and ask for them to help you.

I run a Free Company and have helped 10 of my members clear Turn 5 coil, and then proceeded to make a static with some of those same people and we cleared turn 6 thru 8.

Do your part and pull your weight in the fight instead of coming on here and asking for them to ruin everyone elses experience so that you can see what happens to your favorite FF character. Think I sound harsh? Well guess what, you are threatening to ruin this game by asking for content to become watered down, soon it will be more and more content. And you also falsely proclaim that the majority of the playerbase hasnt even cleared Turn 5 and that like 0.0001% of the entire playerbase has cleared SCoB, which is utter nonsense.

[Delily]

Well guess what, I pay a subscription too and I don't want you ruining my game.

I'm curious, what makes you a special snowflake? Because last I checked, Square owns this game, and your subscription fee is allow you access to play it. The company has been clear that the difficulty of old content will be reduced in difficulty, and they have made good on that promise. Why belief did you have that this would not happen to the Coil 2? Do you plan on running coil 2 once 2.4 drops? You seem earnest in your belief that this game is held afloat thanks to hardcore raiding, and yet, history indicates that is never the case.

[RecklessLife]

Why is it that only in these games that people feel like they're entitled to everything. Coil is being advertised as difficult and as such, should be difficult. I don't hear people calling out From Software saying they need to nerf Dark Souls or any other game for that matter.

Removing restrictions is fine. You already get the boost with the better gear you will be able to get with the new tomes. Heck, you even have the echo buff. If you die to one shot mechanics, that is on you. If it's due to your latency, that is on you. Don't buff incompetence.

[UltimateAoe2]

At least many of them will try and some friends who are in full raid statics can come back to help/teach since the lockout restriction will be removed.

Character limit ;_:
AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED.


As a hardcore raider myself, I'd personally get my FC mates and help other friends/members/players with Coil.
It's not a hard thing to do. If you don't have the patience wiping during raid, then you most likely won't have the patience for anything in the near future.

All raiders at this point were noobs at once. We either got carried or joined progression groups, learning the new strats. But once you kill it, you change as a whole and think you're the best.



Please, be a good player and actually try to help instead of bashing on others. You may have cleared it now, but you sure as hell didn't before and cried about mechanics. I know I have myself.

[Delily]

The content is supposed to get easier due to people getting better gear, not because encounters are nerfed. There is a difference.

This isn't WoW. I can't run into Satasha solo in my artifact gear and roflstomp everything like I can in Icecrown Citadel using SoO drops. The level sync mechanism prevents that.

[RecklessLife]

This isn't WoW. I can't run into Satasha solo in my artifact gear and roflstomp everything like I can in Icecrown Citadel using SoO drops. The level sync mechanism prevents that.

That doesn't apply to coil.

[LiveVoltage]

15% echo buff and 20 item level jump, if that's not enough of a Nerf for you then you are simply not taking the time to learn any of the mechanics or you are not taking the time to join a free company and ask for them to help you.

Lol, have you not read my previous posts? I know the mechanics for turn 5. I can beat coil. My problem is that either nobody wants to help, they charge too much for me to buy their help or if I get help, they wont or cant even clear content because they are expecting to be carried through it. It's not my fault that I havent cleared T5 yet. It's the fault of everyone else and I shouldnt have to suffer because nobody wants to help.

Bottom line is, if the current endgame groups have cleared and milked the current hardest content for all it's worth, then it shouldn't matter if they nerf old content or not.

[UltimateAoe2]

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Uh, it's kinda true. There's not that many groups who actually successfully cleared SCoB. There are things called sales, ya know.


Also, why are you being so butthurt? Jeez. You're getting Final Coil of Bahamut. What, do you still need gear from SCoB?

There are two to three groups. Casual and Hardcore.
You do realize not everyone has all the time in the world to learn the raids. Yes, they can watch videos, but can they actually provide time? Some players have families, and they need to attend to them before the game.
are you still a child or what? Cause your posts are damned bias.



Things are going to change in the future. Old content is old content. Sooner or later, you're going to be saying "The hell is the Coil of Bahamut?"
pls.

[Hyrist]

The sad part about all this is when these nerfs and echo buff stacks arrive, the struggling players still struggle lol.

Sure they will struggle, but ultimately they will be able to succeed between perseverance and and assistance. I run raids for an alliance, as well as being an officer for my FC. The most common reasons given for not having Coil 5 completed is not having a static long enough to pass the content. Adjustments and Echo quickens the learning curve for this and enables those who are having difficulties to get through.


The development live team monitors this every time they start instituting the echo, and it is the reason why they are content to leave First Coil at 20%. They reached a clearance rate they were satisfied with for this development cycle. That may further change as it becomes more dated, but it's clear that SE's keeping a close eye on how many people of what levels of dedication they would like to have pass the content at any particular time.

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The Brutal version should stay the same forever AND drop special versions of the gear. It wouldn't have any extra stats (or maybe a very small bump, like a HQ version of a gear), but would have extra graphic enhancements like particle effects or maybe be dyeable, in order to make those people stand out (along with extra titles they already get). Maybe make the furnishing mat drop(s) make a version of the furnishing that's extra glowy, too (like the difference between HM and EX Primal furnishings).

I do agree that people that can beat Coil should get rewarded, but as long as they keep the raid tied to important story elements, everyone should be able to have opportunity to complete it -eventually-, even if they're only got a mediocre skill level. However, there always should be a version that will be a challenging version that gives special rewards to those that manage to complete it for those that play Coil for the challenge, and the loot is just a means to the end. I'd even go so far as to put an iLv cap on the Brutal versions, just so they STAY hard, no matter how overgeared you get.
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I would defiantly be on board for them putting dyeable versions of gear into Savage Coil. I'm not sure whether or not it should adjust for power creep due to varying levels of player's progression along that curve, but I would be pushing against that content regardless. This is an excellent idea.

[cookiecutter]

That doesn't apply to coil.

Technically it does when the expansion comes out. If you're going back there to farm gear anyway. It will be particularly harder to overgear the final turn since 130 will probably be the ilvl limit for level 50 which you have to sync to get into coil come expansion time.