Hey, Sincerely Thank You SE for easing up on Coil

[Kashiro_Mayuri]

No one believed FFXIV AR would be better than the original FFXIV either.

I did, because it couldn't possibly be worse then what 1.0 was.

They'd have to come up with absurd rewards to make good players queue up for coil through the duty finder. I could ask any of my fc members/friends if they'd be willing to go duty finder T5, and all of them would say "hell no". Even if the rewards were that good. You're still going to wipe if you end up with party members that have never cleared it before, or just aren't that good. Sure, there's going to be some decent players queueing up but there's probably a 99% chance that you get first time players or bad players. Decent players will either do it with their free company, or through the party finder.

[Ghastly]

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You're using stats stats like 99% and your own FC experience too broadly.
This post gave me a deeper look as to what players like yourself want though.

Basically you don't want anyone who's willing to learn and put in the time to clear Coil to clear it.

It's really simple though. We don't need players like yourself to clear Coil through DF. What we need is incentives (items or otherwise) to make more normal players que up for DF.

[odintius]

They'd have to come up with absurd rewards to make good players queue up for coil through the duty finder. I could ask any of my fc members/friends if they'd be willing to go duty finder T5, and all of them would say "hell no". Even if the rewards were that good. You're still going to wipe if you end up with party members that have never cleared it before, or just aren't that good. Sure, there's going to be some decent players queueing up but there's probably a 99% chance that you get first time players or bad players. Decent players will either do it with their free company, or through the party finder.

Some can be blame because of lockout currrently also though, but that be going away will see if they actually back up what they say about helping out others at that time I expect to see PF comment helping out first time players and set the gear ilvl to what recommended by default.

Shoot even maybe some of those elite putting up once a week hey helping new players for today for coil from (blah to blah time) please check PF or send /t that be a sight to see lol.

[RecklessLife]

Basically you don't want anyone who's willing to learn and put in the time to clear Coil to clear it.

Wouldn't that be incentive enough then? To learn and put time in to clear Coil? Isn't that the point? Why is nobody queueing for it then?

And what classifies as a normal player in your eyes?

[Codek]

You're using stats stats like 99% and your own FC experience too broadly.
This post gave me a deeper look as to what players like yourself want though.

Basically you don't want anyone who's willing to learn and put in the time to clear Coil to clear it.

It's really simple though. We don't need players like yourself to clear Coil through DF. What we need is incentives (items or otherwise) to make more normal players que up for DF.

It's a dangerous avenue as well. At release of 2.0 Titan HM had plenty of incentive to kill for the relic zenith weapons and most people struggled with the fight until they memorized the rotation in the final phase.

The result: A cesspool of Death and Despair for all parties that formed through duty finder, and there was plenty of them.

Throwing more players into the mix could easily make for a very hostel environment. There is a magical line of difficulty when it comes to duty finder. If content is kill-able then the experienced players hop on board and the fight becomes "to easy". yet if it's challenging, then the experienced player hide and it becomes much much harder. It's almost a "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" scenario.

[Gucci_Charms]

Fisher Price Mode. Available Oct. 28, 2014. Please look forward to it!

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

This game is very casual, how would you feel if say you were struggling with something, after weeks or even months of working with a team of friends finally beating that content, that feeling, the excitement, then you meet a person who beat it after its nerf'd and have no sense of accomplishment but walking around with same loot drops as you.

Except you'll have your Final Coil gear soon enough, so what does it matter?

This game got alot of content that caters to the casual and average player, coil is the only hardcore content and some people play just for raiding purposes, and when someone who got 90% of the game to enjoy themself with, Crystal Tower, Zodiac relic quests etc, now coming over and asking to make story-mode Coil, is like Orphan Oliver asking "May I have some more?".

Oh man, you didn't just compare yourself with one of the most famously cruel characters in all of English Literature, did you? Oh my god, you did. /laugh Careful you might end up in the same boat as us pauper casuals some day.

[Ghastly]

Wouldn't that be incentive enough then? To learn and put time in to clear Coil? Isn't that the point? Why is nobody queueing for it then?

And what classifies as a normal player in your eyes?

No one uses DF because no one else uses it. And no one else uses it because there are no real incentives to do so. For their difficulty the rewards of using DF doesn't match.'

Normal players are all players who play really well in all content but don't form statics because of many factors from RL to game structure (it encourages solo play), etc.

[Tsuwu]

Take this fire whatever it's worth, Toodles, but:

I think we pug'd you a few weeks back.
Either you or Tiggles. Don't recall.

But you have a lot of promise to the point where I don't think you need coil adjustments. Maybe simply a harder look at the people you're raiding with is all you need, man.

[YakushiHinata]

Except you'll have your Final Coil gear soon enough, so what does it matter?

Oh man, you didn't just compare yourself with one of the most famously cruel characters in all of English Literature, did you? Oh my god, you did. /laugh Careful you might end up in the same boat as us pauper casuals some day.

I guess it doesnt really "matter" but same time it does for me, to look back and see all the hardwork I put into it to clear it, the rewards I got to prove it.

I knew this would spark some reactions, and you might be right, I can end up in the same boat and not have a good static that clear content somewhat first. Guess I can say Im blessed to be with a good FC and static of friends that share same mindset of clearing hard content so I wouldnt start to worry just yet.
Like I said before, I dont mind they add echo, but I dont like they nerf mechanics.