Very conflicted about the cash shop...

[Jandor]

Sorry, but can you reference your source from SE on your sub guaranteeing you access to ALL content? Technically, at least form looking at MY version of the Terms and conditions (the one that appears on a fresh install of ffxiv) the sub only pays for a renewal of your license to access the original patch 2.0 content servers. Technically, SE is perfectly within its rights to make you pay additionally for every single patch after 2.0, including bug fixes. they don't, because they seem to be relatively customer friendly. Your sub doesn't reserve you any of those rights.

Maybe you have a different version of the T&C, though, so please source.

Hmm maybe my original post was unclear, I never said I had a right to anything from SE .
The way I view it currently is that I currently pay my sub to access the whole MMORPG, if I will no longer be getting access to the whole game then obviously it makes sense to reevaluate whether my sub is worth the money I pay for it.

My sub doesn't give me any special rights, but likewise SE doesn't have any automatic right to my money.

[tocsin]

Hmm maybe my original post was unclear, I never said I had a right to anything from SE .
The way I view it currently is that I currently pay my sub to access the whole MMORPG, if I will no longer be getting access to the whole game then obviously it makes sense to reevaluate whether my sub is worth the money I pay for it.

My sub doesn't give me any special rights, but likewise SE doesn't have any automatic right to my money.

If that's what you assumed you were paying your sub for, then you either did not read the terms before you agreed to them, or self-deluded yourself otherwise. In the real world, you never paid a sub for the WHOLE mmo, and SE was highly explicit that you were not paying for the whole mmo.

Seriously, though, do people just not read their terms and conditions before blindly hitting the "I agree" button?

[Ashkendor]

Seriously, though, do people just not read their terms and conditions before blindly hitting the "I agree" button?

Pretty much. People don't read things before agreeing, then place the blame elsewhere when things aren't as they assumed that they would be. The sad part is, it happens in real life situations pretty often too.

[Mysteran]

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2013_01en.pdf

Look at page 01 and then tell me how they have enough again ?

From what I can tell, and I may be completely wrong, but that report appears to be from before ARR was released.

Look at page 01. At the top it states "Years ended March 31". And at the bottom of the graph it states "Note: For the convenience of readers, amounts in U.S. dollars have been translated using the currency exchange rate at March 31, 2013 of ¥94.05=US$1".

That along with a copyright on the document of 2013 as well seems to indicate the report only covers until March 31, 2013.

A Realm Reborn released Aug. 27th, 2013. That's nearly 5 months later. At the time of the report they were dedicating a ton of resources into ARR. It had not become the financial success that many, including SE, are saying it is.

This document: http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ne...q4earnings.pdf seems to indicate they were in the positives for Fiscal Year 2014 (ending March 31, 2014).

The report for the next quarter (April-June 2014) appears to also be positive. http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ne...q1earnings.pdf

[Dwill]

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First and foremost, thanks for being one of the few to actually take the time to read some of these.

You are correct in saying that it ends in 2013. If you notice in the yearly report of 2014, even with an increase of 5%, their net assets isn't even close to what it was in the past, their return on equity was in the negative and their investement took a drastic drop.

The reason I linked it was to show people that Square Enix isn't floating on money like people seems to think and the success they have now will be used in the company's recovery. While Square Enix are on a good road to actually recover, they still have some work to do to build back to what they once were.

[Jandor]

If that's what you assumed you were paying your sub for, then you either did not read the terms before you agreed to them, or self-deluded yourself otherwise. In the real world, you never paid a sub for the WHOLE mmo, and SE was highly explicit that you were not paying for the whole mmo.

Seriously, though, do people just not read their terms and conditions before blindly hitting the "I agree" button?

It's nothing to do with the terms and conditions or with what I assumed the case to be. The reality of the situation is that I bought the game and subscribed shortly after patch 2.1 and since then everything that has been added to the game has been included in my subscription. With this announcement that will obviously no longer be the case, I'll wait to see how it works out but I'm not happy with a cash shop at all.

In the real world if a service changes in a way you're not happy with you stop using it.

I suspect you're not really interested in all that though, seeing as you keep talking about the frankly irrelevant terms and conditions.
You read the whole thing did you? Good for you. Tell me, was there anything in it that said SE can have my money even if I cancel my subscription?

[GalkaBikini]

since then everything that has been added to the game has been included in my subscription.

That's just it. The cash shop isn't part of the game. You pay more money to have cash shop items put into the game FOR you.

[tocsin]

It's nothing to do with the terms and conditions or with what I assumed the case to be. I bought the game and subscribed shortly after patch 2.1, since then everything that has been added to the game has been included in my subscription. With this announcement that will obviously no longer be the case, I'll wait to see how it works out but I'm not happy with a cash shop at all.

In the real world if a service changes in a way you're not happy with you stop using it.


I suspect you're not really interested in all that though, seeing as you keep talking about the frankly irrelevant terms and conditions.
You read the whole thing did you? Good for you. Tell me, was there anything in it that said SE can have my money even if I cancel my subscription?

I did read it, and although it doesn't say that se can have your money if you cancel, it also says that it will only grant access to the services and features of ffxiv if you do have a subscription. so if you cancel, they stop taking your money, and they stop needing to devote resources to providing your gameplay experience. a good trade off.

I'm not fully disagreeing with you. Things available in the cash shop should be available in game, whether via trade to win (buy in cash shop then sell in MB) or as actual drops. Personally, I would prefer the non "Green gil" format, but the point stands.

I just take issue with the feelings of entitlement that seem to come with paying a subscription. You ask a business to treat you better than they are legally contracted to, but since it is a business, money is the only king here.