Cash shop confirmed

[Amaret]

I'm not gonna rewrite the same thing 8 times. Just read and don't simplify/summarize/reduce us to 5 year olds.

So it seems like i understand the quintessence of the problem, i just summarized it as you guys are 5 year old? Should i write an essay about it?

[mekia]

So it seems like i understand the quintessence of the problem, i just summarized it as you guys are 5 year old? Should i write an essay about it?

God damn you! have to agree again >.>.

[IveraIvalice]

So it seems like i understand the quintessence of the problem, i just summarized it as you guys are 5 year old? Should i write an essay about it?

Everything you mentioned has been debated about and is not as you mention it. Repeating what I've said before. Buying a CD and getting a minion as a bonus with it is not the same thing as buying a mount or minion in a game. Your buying a physical object and you get a bonus in game item.
And some are concerned about what this will lead to in the future but most are not concerned about anything other then what it is right now. Not "oh no! it may or may not become pay to win and then it will become an issue". It's an issue right now because of many reasons that have been said multiple times.
We pay a monthly subscription for a game with all of it's content. Obviously that's not the same thing as claiming the devs lives are ours

[mekia]

Everything you mentioned has been debated about and is not as you mention it. Repeating what I've said before. Buying a CD and getting a minion as a bonus with it is not the same thing as buying a mount or minion in a game. Your buying a physical object and you get a bonus in game item.
And some are concerned about what this will lead to in the future but most are not concerned about anything other then what it is right now. Not "oh no! it may or may not become pay to win and then it will become an issue". It's an issue right now because of many reasons that have been said multiple times.
We pay a monthly subscription for a game with all of it's content. Obviously that's not the same thing as claiming the devs lives are ours

So if i buy a Odin Plush and it comes with the Mount is that ok? Are you serious? ..... no words lol

[IveraIvalice]

So if i buy a Odin Plush and it comes with the Mount is that ok? Are you serious? ..... no words lol

Lol ok. I mean I don't need to give you a reason to keep your money but I like to pay once for something instead of twice for 1 thing.

[mekia]

Lol ok. I mean I don't need to give you a reason to keep your money but I like to pay once for something instead of twice for 1 thing.

So a sub to play a game is the same than pay ONCE for a mount i use in the game. hrm... weird

[tocsin]

We pay a monthly subscription for a game with all of it's content.

Why do I keep hearing this? someone please source me the copy of the T&C that they have that says that the subscription is anything other than a license renewal for access to 2.0 servers? at least according to the official T&C, your sub does not cover any additional content, not even bug patches past 2.0. SE is very customer friendly to allow us free access to 2.1 thru 2.4, without making us pay an additional fee, but they don't HAVE to.

Looking for a source.

my source, btw:

4. BILLING PROCEDURES AND RECURRING TRANSACTIONS

4.1 FINAL FANTASY XIV Subscription Fees. In order to access SQUARE ENIX's servers to play the Game, you must agree to a recurring subscription ("Subscription") with a minimum subscription term of 30 days, and pay a recurring subscription fee ("FFXIV Subscription Fee"). Square Enix may offer different subscription plans in its sole discretion. Further, Square Enix may offer you the chance to purchase additional features for your FFXIV Service Account, which we call "Add-ons" or "Options."

[IveraIvalice]

Why do I keep hearing this? someone please source me the copy of the T&C that they have that says that the subscription is anything other than a license renewal for access to 2.0 servers? at least according to the official T&C, your sub does not cover any additional content, not even bug patches past 2.0. SE is very customer friendly to allow us free access to 2.1 thru 2.4, without making us pay an additional fee, but they don't HAVE to.

Looking for a source.

It is not written in there that we are entitled to it by law but because that's how it has been for 4 years. Obviously they can change it because they are right now but that doesn't mean it's right.
By your logic you could be playing with cubes with checkerboard textures and you would be happy buying those "extra features" because all you really pay for every month is access to the servers. So everything that makes up the entirety of the game is not included in your subscription fee

So a sub to play a game is the same than pay ONCE for a mount i use in the game. hrm... weird

How is this hard to understand? For the entire life of the game your 1 (count them) subscription fee every month gave you all mounts/minions/furnishing/fluff that was not a bonus item for something else.
Now your 1 recurring payment does not give you access to all those items. So you pay more for something you used to have for 1 recurring payment. That's 2 payments. That's a payment every month AND an additional fee for more items

Edit: maximum posts for the day.
Right your entitled to nothing then. Paying for access to a server that can lead to nothing is ok with you guys. Cool
Have fun bending over

[tocsin]

It is not written in there that we are entitled to it by law but because that's how it has been for 4 years. Obviously they can change it because they are right now but that doesn't mean it's right.
By your logic you could be playing with cubes with checkerboard textures and you would be happy buying those "extra features" because all you really pay for every month is access to the servers. So everything that makes up the entirety of the game is not included in your subscription fee

Heh, minecraft. "playing with cubes with checkerboard textures "

Worst thing is, I bet if minecraft had an official server, they would charge a sub for it.

[Amaret]

How is this hard to understand? For the entire life of the game your 1 (count them) subscription fee every month gave you all mounts/minions/furnishing/fluff that was not a bonus item for something else.
Now your 1 recurring payment does not give you access to all those items. So you pay more for something you used to have for 1 recurring payment. That's 2 payments. That's a payment every month AND an additional fee for more items

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