Cash shop confirmed

[jazo]

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Sorry, English is not my native language, is "kinda" mean that I actually said that I want them to use the actual kickstarter???

the thing that I suggested is that the shop revenues that SE receives by selling thing in the shop to be inverted in new shop items, you are not investing, you are just purchasing and by your early purchases getting some kind of exclusive reward, and old items to be cheaper overtime and SE giving some small credit as veteran reward to get something from the shop (most likely cheaper items) and with all that making a cycle of early adopters with money but the items being available for everyone without spending more than the subscription.

[SalemP]

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No I got what you meant. Give them money so they can do more things. But I'm already doing that when I buy the game and pay my monthly subscription.

They aren't making FFXIV as some form of charity.

See comment above. No one is asking them to be a charity. We pay a monthly subscription fee.

[MageBlack]

No I got what you meant. Give them money so they can do more things. But I'm already doing that when I buy the game and pay my monthly subscription. We pay a monthly subscription fee.

I think a lot of you are forgetting the huge hit they took with 1.0, resources and time lost, rebuilding the game, restructuring their company, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were still in the red from 1.0 and not quite recovered.

[Kiroh]

I think a lot of you are forgetting the huge hit they took with 1.0, resources and time lost, rebuilding the game, restructuring their company, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were still in the red from 1.0 and not quite recovered.

The fact that they produced a bad product and had to suffer the financial consequences is not the fault of the playerbase nor is it our responsibility to bail them out of it.

[Starlord]

The fact that they produced a bad product and had to suffer the financial consequences is not the fault of the playerbase nor is it our responsibility to bail them out of it.

Your right, it's not the fans fault, but can you really blame them to try to gain back what they lost? I am not for the cash shop mind you, but I do understand the leaps and bounds SE had to do to get FFXIV ARR here. They did a miraculous thing with FFXIV ARR ( at the cost of alot of money). TBH it's only natural this kind of thing would happen. I just hope after getting some of the money back, that they will stop the cash shop eventually.

[Kiroh]

Your right, it's not the fans fault, but can you really blame them to try to gain back what they lost? I am not for the cash shop mind you, but I do understand the leaps and bounds SE had to do to get FFXIV ARR here. They did a miraculous thing with FFXIV ARR ( at the cost of alot of money). TBH it's only natural this kind of thing would happen. I just hope after getting some of the money back, that they will stop the cash shop eventually.

They will never remove the cash shop, that's not how making money works. As for what they spent on ARR, a very wise person once told me : "Never invest more money into something than you are willing, and able to lose." I would hope that anyone running a business would understand something that simple. Even so, it is again, not our responsibility to pay for their mistakes nor the costs of rectifying them.

[Starlord]

They will never remove the cash shop, that's not how making money works. As for what they spent on ARR, a very wise person once told me : "Never invest more money into something than you are willing, and able to lose." I would hope that anyone running a business would understand something that simple. Even so, it is again, not our responsibility to pay for their mistake, nor the costs of rectifying them.

Then simply don't buy anything at the cash shop, that's all there's to it. That way you don't have to pay for their mistake .

[Dwill]

The fact that they produced a bad product and had to suffer the financial consequences is not the fault of the playerbase nor is it our responsibility to bail them out of it.

While I agree that it isn't the fault of the playerbase they suffered a huge financial blow, they can't recover from it with just good will by cutting a potential revenue source just because certain people do not like it. Money has to come from somewhere and if the subscription fees are not enough for whatever reason, they have to find another potential revenue source.

In the end, this is not something that is forced on you. You either support it by buying from it or you don't by not buying from it.

WoW doesn't have items in the cash shop that impact gameplay? Well, WoW players will be surprised to hear that those were just figments of their imagination!

Yeah, that experience booster gives you such a huge advantage. That same booster that was marketed toward returning players so they could get ready to play with their friends for the new expansion and not your average endgame players who's already rocking between 2-4 alt and cost a steep 60$ to which Blizzard already admitted they could have made more money from it but decide not to.It was also introduced as a QoL of change for people that were already buying multiple copies of the game for the Refer-a-Friend experience bonuses. The same booster that gives horrible gear and pathetic amount of money to start with it.

Yeah man, that advantage.

[Amberion]

While I agree that it isn't the fault of the playerbase they suffered a huge financial blow, they can't recover from it with just good will by cutting a potential revenue source just because certain people do not like it. Money has to come from somewhere and if the subscription fees are not enough for whatever reason, they have to find another potential revenue source.

Didn't FFXIV: ARR bring them up from the red in their accounts?

Also, let's not forget their biggest cash hit so far, it never had a cash shop.

[Dwill]

Didn't FFXIV: ARR bring them up from the red in their accounts?

Also, let's not forget their biggest cash hit so far, it never had a cash shop.

Not saying it didn't but any accountant worth their salt will tell you to diversify your revenue sources and if you have but one thing that is bringing you money, make sure to get the most out of it. When a company is in the red, it usually puts a hold on certain project's development or even flat out cancel them to bring back their net income to a positive value, which I'm pretty sure they did to a degree (conjecture here, I may be wrong since I am speaking only from experience). The hype for FFXIV: ARR sure brought a good amount of revenue to Square Enix but the game alone won't sustain a company like them on itself for very long so until they develop/release other source of revenues (FFXV, KH2, etc), they need a bigger amount of money, especially wit the game's growth being more stable which allows the army of accountant at their HQ to actually budget their next fiscal year.

Yeah those runes, rune pages, and the ability to expand my hero selection pool faster than a customer who doesn't sink real $$$ into the cash shop every month definitely don't impact the gameplay of League of Legends, a MOBA that has a pre-game metagame based on the ability to ban, pick and counterpick heroes.

Which is why to play in ranked mode, you need at least 16 champions outside of the free weeks one to even play there. 16 of them is not hard to obtain by level 30 while havng a rune page for 2 roles at the very least.