SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Cichy]

I understand what your saying, i just want people to realize the grind is in every MMORPG and we need to stop stressing on the god dam* grind and focus on fun, relevant, valuable, rewarding content that breaks up the monotone of a grind. When there is constant fun content all throughout the game, the grind becomes more of an after thought.

Yup, Exactly what I'd like to see.

[Abriael]

WTF are you talking about? I have explained it a hundred times. I posted a few pages back that I would no longer reply to people who claim that SP/hour is the same now as it was before patch because it simply is not true. It is you along with your supporters who simply refuse to understand. You keep denying the facts, you keep ignoring everyone else who post in the same situation, you act like I am the only person in the world who has a problem with this. You are so worried with proving me wrong that you don't read.

The people you are agreeing with themselves have acknowledged that SP was reduced but they say it was for balancing. Which means they have yet to get the point.

I have explained as if you guys were 5 years old why we were lied to and yet you are the ones who simply do not understand. I want to keep living in my little world? What world? You think I want to waste my Saturday explaining to people something simpler than 2+2=4? I have explained it in the simplest of terms humanly possible and you simply cannot see past "I gotta prove him wrong to seem smart" Get over yourselves.

If according to you guys SP/hour gains are exactly the same or better than before then that's great for you! WTF are you still posting here? If I'm crazy and dumb and don't know how to play why the hell do you keep coming back to my thread? If the game is so perfect go play!

Looks like you need to be made aware of the undeniable fact that you're saying "I'm right because I say so!"

Unfortunately for your plainly false points, continuously repeating to yourself that you're right won't magically make it true.

[LuxLex]

Unfortunately for your plainly false points, continuously repeating to yourself that you're right won't magically make it true.

And what you're saying is different, how?

[Abriael]

And what you're saying is different, how?

The difference is that he goes around blabbering that it's IMPOSSIBLE to exp faster in other means that in behest. I and many others say that it's possible, because we've done it so many times that it isn't even funny.

We say we're right because we've experienced it. He has no experience to back up his claims, and still denies evidence.

[LuxLex]

Funny cause I saw him say exp is slower in behest than it was before... not that there is nothing better available if you have the time and resources to access it.

[Bled]

Funny cause I saw him say exp is slower in behest than it was before... not that there is nothing better available if you have the time and resources to access it.

That's not exactly what the OP's main point was... please re-read the OP.

OP stated that overall SP gains are slower partly due to the nerf to behest "the best form of leveling" in the OP's eyes. The OP was attempting to argue not exclusively on the side of behest but more on the general amount of SP/hour is nerfed which is opposite of what Yoshi letter promised.

[LuxLex]

Hmmm I am going to re-read it and get back to you, but I seem to remember the OP talking about soloing in subsequent posts, and since yoshi said leves were going to be the method of gaining solo exp, I wouldn't be shocked if the OP was upset that they now suck for SP.

[Xmbei]

lol, i must say I enjoyed that. I am annoyed that some of you take the opposition side on this issue, because what I see is that you are compelled to do that even though the outcome of supporting Kensei would improve the quality of your own time. You don't believe me? If he succeeds and the dev team responds by increasing sp gained you can take some of that time set aside from grinding and do something challenging in the game. You really have nothing to gain long-term by opposing Kensei.



That is very curious, isn't it? FFXI fans defend the status quo blindly from what I've seen. They defend their investment in what they experienced. It's understandable, but the lack of growth beyond that is puzzling.

To all of you posting about behest - I think you're missing Kensei's point. It's not a true comparison if you compare earth hours rolling by. It would make more sense to compare an actual hour's time spent in behest to an hour spent grinding. That's the real issue, even if Kensei hasn't articulated it. Who wants to sit around grinding monsters for hours when you don't have to??

Wait wait wait what?! Behest isnt grinding out mobs endlessly too? Hmmm let me try this behest thing... Oh wait whats this I am killing the same monster's over and over and over again like a grinding party, it is just masked with a name and a limit!
I am also limited in the number of mobs I can kill every 30 min/1 hr.... when there is this huge population of free range mobs that give the same amount of sp.... and they don't stop.... hmmmmm man I wish I could not grind out mobs in behest....
Everything is a grind but you just don't want to admit it because it has a pretty name and a rule set to go with it different than free range play of grind partys...

[SuMDRGMAN]

cry me a river ^^ do the quests

[Chocobits]

One think I keep seeing as a recurring theme in this thread:

Camp 1: SP/hr isn't as good as it was before! I was leveling my 22 [insert class] and it was slow!
Camp 2: You're doing it wrong and you're not trying enough things! My 44 [insert class] just solos 9,001 SP every 5 minutes!

There's a disparity there, do you see it? Wait for it, wait for it..

Until a working search function is implemented for SP Grind parties, low levels have been completely shafted on SP/hr. Higher levels were not affected much. Isn't the curve supposed to work the other way? Low ranks come quickly but it takes more time between each rank up. So for low ranks or awkward rank ranges that don't fit into the optimal party ranges (Mid 30s I hear? Haven't got there yet), SP/HR seems (to me) to have suffered a nerf.

"But that's because you're not going out there and getting a group together and grinding!"

Yep, I'm not. I shouted "Hay guyz wanna make a rank [insert rank here] grind party" in [insert city here] and nobody cared or responded.. and being a new player that isn't in an active linkshell, shouting would be my only method of putting that party together. There's no search function. I'll let that sink in for a moment.

THERE'S NO SEARCH FUNCTION!

And not everyone is rank [insert rank here] that you had that awesome SP/hr at. Lots of us are at different ranks and there's a huge difference at many ranks as to the SP/HR you can achieve. So all the "they balanced SP" talk is nonsense. It wasn't balanced, it was just ridiculously nerfed at certain rank ranges and for some events (Behest).

It's more unbalanced now that it was before. Because, and I think I've said this before.. There's no search function!