SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[SuzakuCMX]

A lot of people are saying that the sp is great when you join a group. I think what the op means is sp when you solo. I noticed when soling and killing things my rank or a few levels higher I was getting only half of the sp I got before the patch.

So basically they removed fatigue only to make sp gains as if you have constant fatigue, it seems a little silly to me.

No, he thinks behests were/are the only way to get SP and he doesn't want to grind, solo or party, because he doesn't like it. Furthermore he's refusing to acknowledge that quests give a ton of SP now and that there are guild tasks.

If you read the thread, it's quite clear he has no idea what he's talking about.

[Kensei]

No, he thinks behests were/are the only way to get SP and he doesn't want to grind, solo or party, because he doesn't like it.

Oh so now you are blatantly lying about me and putting words in my mouth. A new low for the thread, congrats. I have mentioned this before but you clearly skip pages.

I don't particularly care about behest, I only used to do it pre-patch because it was the fastest sp/hour. Get that into your head and stop making things up.

Neither party grinding, soloing or questing give the same SP/hour as pre-patch. Understand?

Furthermore he's refusing to acknowledge that quests give a ton of SP now and that there are guild tasks.

A ton? 2-3k SP and this is how they go. A quest in gridania for 2.7k SP "Hey go to Mun-Tuy Cellars and kill 8 skeletons" In the time it takes to go there and come back I would have already gotten more SP from plain grinding. But even grinding wouldn't give the same SP/hour I could have gotten pre-patch.

If you read the thread, it's quite clear he has no idea what he's talking about.

Actually you resorting to lying proves it's the other way around.

[SuzakuCMX]

Oh so now you are blatantly lying about me and putting words in my mouth. A new low for the thread, congrats. I have mentioned this before but you clearly skip pages.

I don't particularly care about behest, I only used to do it pre-patch because it was the fastest sp/hour. Get that into your head and stop making things up.

No it wasn't. And quit complaining about grinding being the only way to rank up (which it isn't). It gives a ton of SP, learn how to optimize grinding. Hint hint: some mobs will give you over 300 SP and are incredibly easy to take down with 5-6 people.

Neither party grinding, soloing or questing give the same SP/hour as pre-patch. Understand?

Yeah I understand, questing, not levequesting, and part grinding give way more SP/hour now.

A ton? 2-3k SP and this is how they go. A quest in gridania for 2.7k SP "Hey go to Mun-Tuy Cellars and kill 8 skeletons" In the time it takes to go there and come back I would have already gotten more SP from plain grinding. But even grinding wouldn't give the same SP/hour I could have gotten pre-patch.

Main. Story. Quests. You can level up once off of them. Plus there's over 100 quests in the game right now, they take about 15 minutes to do and they give 1-3k SP. You must be lazy.

Actually you resorting to lying proves it's the other way around.

Yeah, right, Mr. "Behests were the best SP before patch."

EDIT: Oh and crafting leves are ridiculous now. I was getting 200-300 SP per synth as a R17 Weaver doing one of the R1 leves.

EDIT2: Oh and congratz, after 20,000 views you finally broke 100 likes.

[Xmbei]

A lot of people are saying that the sp is great when you join a group. I think what the op means is sp when you solo. I noticed when soling and killing things my rank or a few levels higher I was getting only half of the sp I got before the patch.

So basically they removed fatigue only to make sp gains as if you have constant fatigue, it seems a little silly to me.

No the OP didnt mean solo because He was doing Behest so that is a party of 8 p.u.g. So he isnt solo he might play it that he was experiencing it solo because it was not a premade party but he is grinding out behests and they ruined it in his opinion.

[alexi14]

700th post!

Edit: DOH!

[Coombah]

In Letter from the Producer XIV Yoshi dedicated a section of it to discuss ranking up. I will quote parts of it.

Ever since I posted on the forums, we’ve been receiving feedback from players worrying about whether or not we’re going to be nerfing the ranking up process. The simple and emphatic answer to this, just as I posted in the forums, is no.

Well Yoshi it was nerfed in every single way. Killing mobs gives less SP, Behest gives less SP and it can't be done back to back, guildleves give far less SP per kill and the final bonus is pathetic. What the heck is the use of Guardians Favor? I was getting 83 SP per kill and it increased to maybe 89 SP with favor and the final bonus was unaffected. I tried for a while with a party and the best we were getting was 340 SP with mobs 10 ranks higher than us, the problem was that every 3 kills our CON needed an MP break because of the outrageous MP cost increases.

I don’t want there to be a huge loss of skill points imposed for dying, or for players to have to grind 5–6 hours a day for 8 months to get to the high ranks.

Well, Yoshi, with the current state of SP gains it may not be for 8 months but it will certainly take 6+ hours a day of mindless grinding to make progress a decent pace now from 30s onward.

I do think ranking up should take longer in MMOs than in non-MMOs, but I plan to make the process both possible and enjoyable for players willing to invest the time, even if they’re solo, and even by doing quests and guildleves.

Are you serious? You just nerfed SP gains which you said you wouldn't do, we are now forced to grind to make decent progress for hours which you also said you wouldn't do and I already discussed leves' pathetic excuse of SP. As for quests they would have been viable if there were more than 5 and it would be more enjoyable if a quest in Gridania didn't sent me to Coerthas and back for a grand total of 1,700 Skill Points. I could get much more grinding in the same amount of time it takes to make that walk.

Why was this done? Are you really thinking that slowing ranking up to a crawl will retain population? Because this sort of thing is exactly what made everyone quit. Considering the state the game was slowly recovering from I would think this was the last thing they would consider doing.

I agree ! This patch has been the biggest pile of shit ever!

[Grimoire]

The real issue isn't the amount of SP. It's the lack of fun while you earn it. (Although.. SP did seem a bit too fast before imo)

[alexi14]

The real issue isn't the amount of SP. It's the lack of fun while you earn it. (Although.. SP did seem a bit too fast before imo)

Are you kidding mate? The SP is the ONLY reason people play this game right now. They certainly don't play it because its fun! They play it because they figure they can get some SP, and be ahead of the game in terms of progression, and enjoy end-game that much sooner when the game IS fixed. Now SE took away SP gains, now there is NO reason to play.

[Grimoire]

I don't play it because it isn't fun. Not because of the SP.

[alexi14]

That's what I'm saying. No-one plays because it's fun.. because it's not. Those that DO play, play it for the SP-- which has been nerfed, and as a result, less play.