Very conflicted about the cash shop...

[Gilthas]

The only games that yank items from in game to resell to you are OFFLINE games - it's called DLC.

Not sure how you can argue that DLC is yanking items from the game to resell to you and a cash shop isn't.

[Tupsi]

The analogy literally does work, they are charging you an extra $10 for things you don't need and instead want. Your arbitrary definitions of importance aren't relevant.

No it doesn't - Locking content behind a paywall is already a concept of MMORPGs - It's called, once again, Freemium. You can access x amount of the game for free then you have to pay a sub or pay for x content package. So as much as YOU want it to work, it doesn't work when that concept is an entirely different style of MMORPG, especially if the LOGIC you continue to use is: "paying for what you want", I pay a sub to access the game .. you do...remember your sub is mainly to access the game, right? Read the terms some times.

They wouldn't be charging you $10 to access playable content in a P2P model. Get over it and stop it with that strawman argument.

Not sure how you can argue that DLC is yanking items from the game to resell to you and a cash shop isn't.

Mounts and Minions doesn't prevent you from a full game experience unless you buy the DLC. You do realize in this day and age of games most of the DLC are usually filling in gaps most of the time rather than expanding the game? Unless you can provide an argument that Odin's horse prevents you from accessing more of the game, you'll be correct.

[SpookyGhost]

Dungeon drops in level 15-49 dungeons does this already - CT/ST and Coil does this already. Solidery, Mythology and Allied Seal gear does this already. The only benefit crafted gear has is if you have the money and time to overmeld pieces when..instead, you can just do the content

I am talking about vanity. Look at any custom made vanity outfit and you'll find that a lot of people use crafted specific gear. And if we accept your post as true, then they are literally destroying the one other market that crafters have, which is the lvl 1 completely for vanity gear. Also I'd like to point out that the gloves you are currently wearing on your Scholar are specifically made by Weavers and available nowhere else in the game. :V

This analogy Does. Not. Work. because that's called Freemium model.

I googled this because, if I'm honest, I had no idea what you were talking about and this came up as the definition:

"Freemium is a pricing strategy by which a product or service (typically a digital offering such as software, media, games or web services) is provided free of charge, but money (premium) is charged for proprietary features, functionality, or virtual goods."

I don't know if you... didn't read my post or something? Maybe I've got the wrong definition here? But you're still paying the 15$ monthly, on top of the 10$ fee for doing a raid weekly. In fact, I'm pretty sure what you called my example was a "F2P" model - that's quite a bit different than a P2P model that uses a strategy F2P games use (vanity = $$$$). If XIV were F2P and they offered vanity for a price, that would make sense - I'm not funding the vanity content. However, in this game, where I am paying a monthly sub, I am funding the vanity content and then being forced to buy it separately if I want it. It's like if you paid someone to build you a sandbox on a playground you own, paid for all the materials needed to build the sandbox, and then they told you you had to buy the sandbox they made from them. You still have access to the playground, but you don't get the sandbox unless you pay the worker you hired for it. Does that analogy work a bit better for you? Cuz I'm really trying my hardest to explain this in a way that makes sense, but a lot of people don't seem to get it.

[Gilthas]

The analogy literally does work, they are charging you an extra $10 for things you don't need and instead want. Your arbitrary definitions of importance aren't relevant.

Except it was never a strawman argument, it was a comparison for the purposes of his actual argument. He never suggested it would actually happen. You failing to understand replies /also/ adds nothing to the discussion.

No, it literally doesn't work because the likelyhood of it ever happening is close to zero. This example simply isn't within the realm of possibility because raids aren't vanity items.

[LittleArrow]

Pretty upset to see them selling previous seasonal items after they've offered them in the game for gil. One of the biggest arguments I've made in support of this game was how kind and generous the developers have been with past content still being available - people aren't left out if they start later. After seeing the pumpkin heads and hearing Yoshi say past seasonal items were to be sold (5$ each no less...) I was so extremely disappointed.

Please do not do this. It alienates new players from beautiful past content and leads down a road that will alienate current players.

[ZReport]

Pretty upset to see them selling previous seasonal items after they've offered them in the game for gil. One of the biggest arguments I've made in support of this game was how kind and generous the developers have been with past content still being available - people aren't left out if they start later. After seeing the pumpkin heads and hearing Yoshi say past seasonal items were to be sold (5$ each no less...) I was so extremely disappointed.

Please do not do this. It alienates new players from beautiful past content and leads down a road that will alienate current players.

I'm pretty sure they'll sell seasonal items out of season. It won't fly if a seasonal event comes up and they charge people for the items.

[vientown]

No, it literally doesn't work because the likelyhood of it ever happening is close to zero. Your comparison simply isn't within the realm of possibility.

I'm sorry but this is too ridiculous to continue. The point of a hypothetical comparison is to say 'how would you feel if /x/ happened?' I'm sorry you can't understand that.

[LittleArrow]

I'm pretty sure they'll sell seasonal items out of season. It won't fly if a seasonal event comes up and they charge people for the items.

I think you're missing the problem here; it seems as though they're no longer providing these past items during the seasonal events like before. There was no listed NPC selling past items for this new Halloween event like they did before - b/c they're selling them in the cash shop.

NO MORE PAST EVENT CONTENT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN GAME - only in the cash shop.

[Dwill]

I'm sorry but this is too ridiculous to continue. The point of a hypothetical comparison is to say 'how would you feel if /x/ happened?' I'm sorry you can't understand that.

"How would you feel" scenarios are irrelevant if their probability of happening lies within the real of statistical impossibilities.

[vientown]

The argument, while sound, will never reach people's ears. This is because many people are inherently selfish and feel they are owed everything in game for "free" as per their subscription fee.

Overall, this is Square-Enix's game, and they can revoke membership from whoever they please, with or without reason. In the same token, they are obligated to sell any proprietary in-game assets they deem worthy of selling.

They're not 'selfish' and they don't feel owed, they are unhappy with the new terms of their subscription when their previous subscription was all-encompassing. Now they will drop the game and leave you kiddies dancing in a circle excited about paying $20 for a model that's been in the game since 2.0

"How would you feel" scenarios are irrelevant if their probability of happening lies within the real of statistical impossibilities.

Hahaha, this is a hilarious derailing tactic that I always love to see. Not really, they're irrelevant if they're outwith the realm of feeling, they are there to provoke a feeling, thereby aligning your sympathies with his cause. In any case THIS is genuinely irrelevant as he offered a new analogy. Stop trying to find ways to ignore a person providing rational argument.