SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[SuMDRGMAN]

cry me a river ^^ do the quests

[Chocobits]

One think I keep seeing as a recurring theme in this thread:

Camp 1: SP/hr isn't as good as it was before! I was leveling my 22 [insert class] and it was slow!
Camp 2: You're doing it wrong and you're not trying enough things! My 44 [insert class] just solos 9,001 SP every 5 minutes!

There's a disparity there, do you see it? Wait for it, wait for it..

Until a working search function is implemented for SP Grind parties, low levels have been completely shafted on SP/hr. Higher levels were not affected much. Isn't the curve supposed to work the other way? Low ranks come quickly but it takes more time between each rank up. So for low ranks or awkward rank ranges that don't fit into the optimal party ranges (Mid 30s I hear? Haven't got there yet), SP/HR seems (to me) to have suffered a nerf.

"But that's because you're not going out there and getting a group together and grinding!"

Yep, I'm not. I shouted "Hay guyz wanna make a rank [insert rank here] grind party" in [insert city here] and nobody cared or responded.. and being a new player that isn't in an active linkshell, shouting would be my only method of putting that party together. There's no search function. I'll let that sink in for a moment.

THERE'S NO SEARCH FUNCTION!

And not everyone is rank [insert rank here] that you had that awesome SP/hr at. Lots of us are at different ranks and there's a huge difference at many ranks as to the SP/HR you can achieve. So all the "they balanced SP" talk is nonsense. It wasn't balanced, it was just ridiculously nerfed at certain rank ranges and for some events (Behest).

It's more unbalanced now that it was before. Because, and I think I've said this before.. There's no search function!

[Marspheonix]

I've been have fun with the new adjustment soloing is no problem, finding a party to exp with is the real problem

[Rutelor]

Instead of the Pavlovian pleasure-trigger of just hitting another rank, I find the fighting is more tactical now, and quite more rewarding... If it moves slowly, so does chess. And--to me, mind you--it's more satisfying to play now. Definitely more so than the addict-prone series of activities that represented "ranking up" before. Let me hope it moves even more in that direction. Other than that, I'm sure the current status of the SP ratio and other such things are far from being final. It's been plainly stated through interviews and letters: The battle system is not done yet.

Having said this, allow me to vent a bit, out of exasperation:

There are some people that play this game as though it were a race (to nowhere, BTW,) and I fail to understand what the purpose of their rush is. What exactly will you accomplish when you cap all your jobs, while the game really is not near having any sort of endgame yet? You're just reflexively carrying the compulsion from your behavior in other games to this one. Adrenaline addiction is fine, but man! You do get adrenaline running easily!

FFXIV is currently an open Beta Test, not a commercial product ready to be enjoyed in most of its aspects. SE has plainly acknowledged this. Furthermore, we're all beta-testers, and we really should only be hanging around because (some of us for bizarre reasons) we like being a part of this process. It definitely shouldn't be because the game is in any sort of way finished, or because we expect it to be so now.

Help out with your constructive criticism, and once and for all cut it out with the entitlement attitude. If this game had failed--and it could very well have done so, if it weren't because of us, the optimists--you, the destructive complainers who would've caused it to fail, would've all lost the few dollars you paid for the license to play it. End of story.

If you don't like what's going on, please assume it did fail, and leave. Let us, the constructive bunch, do what we're really enjoying here, which is helping the game get somewhere. If by relaunch time the game fails, you can laugh at what you will call our folly. Even despite our assertion that we are having fun right now. If it doesn't fail, rest assured we will be too busy having even more fun then, for even thinking of laughing at you.

This is not a rant against people that criticize the game. However, people that criticize can do so destructively, while some others take good care to do it constructively. If you don't know in which group you are, you are most likely in the first one. And yes, this rant is addressed at you. (For starters, stop using the word "suck," and learn a few more verbs and a few adjectives as well. It's your mother tongue, for crying out loud--and not mine by the way-- but you wouldn't know it from the care you fail to bestow it.)

You, the smug, destructive non-achievers that constitute the chorus of game-addicts that most complain, and are perpetually indignant because you don't have your fix NOW: You behave as if you never committed a mistake in your lives. The arrogance of your criticism reaches pathetic dimensions in front of the sad reality that, if you were in charge of developing this, I say it without pause, the game would have failed already. Most worthwhile projects became worthwhile only because the people behind them found an enlightened way of detonating the learning potential within mistakes, but more importantly, because they had the daring to take action and make those mistakes. Also, because they had the patience and perseverance to fix them.

If such mistakes are committed moving forward in the development of this game, they are only condemnable if they lead to no improvement. The only way to move FFXIV at this juncture is by the good old scientific method, the trusty system of trial and ERROR.

I'm sticking with the game, because I think, and I could be deluded (but so could you,) that SE has better intentions and, so far, better procedures in dire straits than many companies would have had in similar circumstances. Something in their attitude has earned them my respect (and it certainly wasn't their savoir-faire with PC game development.) If you don't see this, maybe you shouldn't be here, more for your own good than for anything else.

The game is not ready, and it's not going to be for a while. So, stay, vigilant and critical, yes! But help pick up the pieces, or just get the fuck out of the way.

Rutelor.

[Kensei]

Instead of the Pavlovian pleasure-trigger of just hitting another rank, I find the fighting is more tactical now, and quite more rewarding... If it moves slowly, so does chess. And--to me, mind you--it's more satisfying to play now. Definitely more so than the addict-prone series of activities that represented "ranking up" before. Let me hope it moves even more in that direction. Other than that, I'm sure the current status of the SP ratio and other such things are far from being final. It's been plainly stated through interviews and letters: The battle system is not done yet.

Having said this, allow me to vent a bit, out of exasperation:

There are some people that play this game as though it were a race (to nowhere, BTW,) and I fail to understand what the purpose of their rush is. What exactly will you accomplish when you cap all your jobs, while the game really is not near having any sort of endgame yet? You're just reflexively carrying the compulsion from your behavior in other games to this one. Adrenaline addiction is fine, but man! You do get adrenaline running easily!

FFXIV is currently an open Beta Test, not a commercial product ready to be enjoyed in most of its aspects. SE has plainly acknowledged this. Furthermore, we're all beta-testers, and we really should only be hanging around because (some of us for bizarre reasons) we like being a part of this process. It definitely shouldn't be because the game is in any sort of way finished, or we expect it to be so now.

Help out with your constructive criticism, and once and for all cut it out with the entitlement attitude. If this game had failed--and it could very well have done so, if it weren't because of us, the optimists--you, the destructive complainers who would've caused it to fail, would've all lost the few dollars you paid for the license to play it. End of story.

If you don't like what's going on, please assume it did fail, and leave. Let us, the constructive bunch, do what we're really enjoying here, which is helping the game get somewhere. If by relaunch time the game fails, you can laugh at what you will call our folly. Even despite our assertion that we are having fun right now. If it doesn't fail, rest assured we will be too busy having even more fun then, for even thinking of laughing at you.

This is not a rant against people that criticize the game. However, people that criticize can do so destructively, while some others take good care to do it constructively. If you don't know in which group you are, you are most likely in the first one. And yes, this rant is addressed at you. (For starters, stop using the word "suck," and learn a few more verbs and a few adjectives as well. It's your mother tongue, for crying out loud--and not mine by the way-- but you wouldn't know it from the care you fail to bestow it.)

You, the smug, destructive non-achievers that constitute the chorus of game-addicts that most complain, and are perpetually indignant because you don't have your fix NOW: You behave as if you never committed a mistake in your lives. The arrogance of your criticism reaches pathetic dimensions in front of the sad reality that, if you were in charge of developing this, and I say this without pause, the game would have failed already. Most worthwhile projects became worthwhile only because the people behind them found an enlightened way of detonating the learning potential within mistakes, but more importantly, because they had the daring to take action and make those mistakes. Also, because they had the patience and perseverance to fix them.

If such mistakes are committed moving forward in the development of this game, they are only condemnable if they lead to no improvement. The only way to move FFXIV at this juncture is by the good old scientific method, the trusty system of trial and ERROR.

I'm sticking with the game, because I think, and I could be deluded (but so could you,) that SE has better intentions and, so far, better procedures in dire straits than many companies would have had in similar circumstances. Something in their attitude has earned them my respect (and it certainly wasn't their savoir-faire with PC game development.) If you don't see this, maybe you shouldn't be here, more for your own good than for anything else.

The game is not ready, and it's not going to be for a while. So, stay, vigilant and critical, yes! But help pick up the pieces, or just get the fuck out of the way.

Rutelor.

For the hundredth time, the point I'm making is Yoshi lied. End of story. if you are pleased with the direction the game has taken why are you minding those of us with negative experiences.

[Bled]

For the hundredth time, the point I'm making is Yoshi lied. End of story. if you are pleased with the direction the game has taken why are you minding those of us with negative experiences.

Because people like you poison the community and that is... whats the word.... BAD. You say the same things over and over because you have no way of verifying your data. Hey Kensei i just logged on and leveled in an hour same damn time frame as pre-patch. You have posted page after page of nothing but I'm more right because i say so. If you wanted to give constructive feed back this thread would have ended at page 11, but rather you are trolling these forums objecting any new ideas or "facts" that are brought to you.

leave please for the love of god leave, if SP gain is so gimped like you say you must be a masochist...

[Kensei]

Because people like you poison the community and that is... whats the word.... BAD. You say the same things over and over because you have no way of verifying your data. Hey Kensei i just logged on and leveled in an hour same damn time frame as pre-patch... you have posted page after page of nothing but I'm more right because i say so. If you wanted to give constructive feed back this thread would have ended at page 11, but rather you are trolling these forums objecting any new ideas or "facts" that are brought to you.

leave please for the love of god leave, if SP gain is so gimped like you say you must be a masochist...

I poison the community because I pointed out that the producer of the game did something he specifically said he wouldn't. Great reasoning you have there.

You know why this thread didn't die at page one? Because people who claim the game is great now and are very happy with the changes of 1.18 keep posting again and again. Why is that? If I am so wrong why do they keep trolling this thread nonstop instead of going online and enjoying the game. If people who didn't agree just ignore the thread it would have either died or would be much smaller because it would have been a discussion of those suffering the same situation and sharing their experiences.

I keep repeating myself because they keep bringing up the same argument over and over that I have already answered them many times.

I have not once trolled. All I have done is reply to those posters who can't handle somebody disagreeing with them. Some of you think the SP/hour is the same or better and I am wrong? Cool! Then why won't you stop posting here?

[Bled]

I poison the community because I pointed out that the producer of the game did something he specifically said he wouldn't. Great reasoning you have there.

You know why this thread didn't die at page one? Because people who claim the game is great now and are very happy with the changes of 1.18 keep posting again and again. Why is that? If I am so wrong why do they keep trolling this thread nonstop instead of going online and enjoying the game. If people who didn't agree just ignore the thread it would have either died or would be much smaller because it would have been a discussion of those suffering the same situation and sharing their experiences.

I keep repeating myself because they keep bringing up the same argument over and over that I have already answered them many times.

I have not once trolled. All I have done is reply to those posters who can't handle somebody disagreeing with them. Some of you think the SP/hour is the same or better and I am wrong? Cool! Then why won't you stop posting here?

I have continued to dip in because *see my first sentence* you are poisoning the community and have given and don't intend to give anything constructive. The fact that you think that Yoshi lied to you is cute and debatable which is not even relevant in the grand scheme of things.

Trust me if i could play the game right now i would not be sitting on these forums watching you cry. Let me lay this out for you if Yoshi lied to you and you are so detested by someone lying why don't you leave?!?!?

IMO Yoshi did not lie at all and you are being a drama queen looking for attention, even if Yoshi "lied" welcome to the real world where the people actually developing get the final say in the product.. get over yourself.

[Xmbei]

I poison the community because I pointed out that the producer of the game did something he specifically said he wouldn't. Great reasoning you have there.

You know why this thread didn't die at page one? Because people who claim the game is great now and are very happy with the changes of 1.18 keep posting again and again. Why is that? If I am so wrong why do they keep trolling this thread nonstop instead of going online and enjoying the game. If people who didn't agree just ignore the thread it would have either died or would be much smaller because it would have been a discussion of those suffering the same situation and sharing their experiences.

I keep repeating myself because they keep bringing up the same argument over and over that I have already answered them many times.

I have not once trolled. All I have done is reply to those posters who can't handle somebody disagreeing with them. Some of you think the SP/hour is the same or better and I am wrong? Cool! Then why won't you stop posting here?

with the same over and over and over blatent wrong answer... self righteous answer of my behest is right and your sp/hr ratings are wrong! so of course the same thing will be said over and over again because you keep saying the same arguement over and over again

[Forbin]

just spent 3hrs.. got about 70K SP.. went from 15-21 in a single session.. Leve Link > Behest > SP Grind with a group of 5-8.. TONS of fun.. no problems with SP gain what so ever.