SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Kensei]

I am neither defending or opposing this patch due to the pure fact that he did warn everyone that it would be bad between 1.18 and 1.19, and everyone is acting like it's the end of the world. We were warned, I for one will give them the chance to complete this next two patches which will finish the balancing and bring out the jobs.

At that time I will look at the overall balancing and final outcome and make my decision... everyone's wanting this to be the bloody building, but at the moment we have only laid the foundation for the walls to go up.

So then we should stop playing until 1.19? They could have made changes but ranking up is a chore right now. Why was it necessary to slow down progression to such an extent so soon? They could have slowed a little bit and then, if needed, slow down further in 1.19.

[LuxLex]

There was no reason to nerf solo SP from leves. It is just senseless.

[KaiKatzchen]

So then we should stop playing until 1.19? They could have made changes but ranking up is a chore right now. Why was it necessary to slow down progression to such an extent so soon? They could have slowed a little bit and then, if needed, slow down further in 1.19.

You can stop playing until 1.19 if you like, that is totally your decision. I've played since alpha and been though worse in this game so it doesn't bother me that much. I'd rather chug though, experiment and keep on trying then just quit or not play because they do one thing that I don't like. If I did that I would have stopped playing before release and I wouldn't have gotten to see any of the good changes they made to the game. I wouldn't have all the friends I have. I wouldn't be in a very nice shell like I am.

You can make up your own mind on what you wish to do, it might be that you'll never enjoy the game. It might be 1.19 will change it to the point that you are happy again. I can't make these decisions for you, and I don't try and speak for a whole community. I am saying how I feel and what I will do, you have to decide on your own.

[Abriael]

LOL!
No it doesn't. It encourages the player to do group grinding... quests and story quests are a one time thing. You get em done on one class and BOOM no more of that.
So when you want to rank up a second class all you have left is group grinding because it blows behest and leves out of the water like leves used to do to group grinding.

All that's been done is they turned the game on its head. Instead of one, you do the other... only this time it's the more boring one.

You continue to deny the evidence. You do levequests and behests when you're alone and don't feel like finding a party. Have a party? You can still do levequests (with a full party the bonuses are very good), do group grinding or dungeons (forgot about those didn't you? too bad), and in the meanwhile you can do quests and story quests, with new quests being implemented with every patch, providing a costant stream of new SP sources even for those that already did the previous ones.

That's called variation, no matter of you try to illogically deny it.

Ah, yet my experience has been the same as several others, so he was implying that we all suck. But thanks for being childish and continuing the litany of personal insults which is all that people who are blindly defending this patch have to offer. I mean, it really enhances the tone of conversation.

You obviously refuse to try variating your experience, and that puts the problem on your end. In addition to this, you continue to repeat that you have to pause between killing mobs, which does, unfortunately, place a serious doubt on your ability to control your mana flow and use the skills you're given.

Also, you simply lack experience. You do not KNOW how the leveling curve was or is now. That's undeniable. You're too low level to judge.

Many of the people defending this patch don't realize that a new player will have a terrible time in the game. If you think SE is gonna keep this free to play forever you have another thing coming. If after the PS3 release the game fails to retain population it will be most likely done.

Wat you fail to release is that by when the PS3 version will be out, there'll be a completely new tutorial. That's already been announced.

Also, what you always fail to realize is that people like us that already have level 50s, continue to restart from level 1 with new classes. Your argument is completely void.

[LuxLex]

"You're too low level to judge"

Well, funny, cause if SE wants to relaunch this for new players, I don't think that excuse is going to make potential subscribers go

"Oh, I guess I will keep paying to play even if this seems like a boring, grindy, crappy game, because some dude who got to rank 50 by failing leves every reset told me I am too low level to judge."

[Abriael]

"You're too low level to judge"

Well, funny, cause if SE wants to relaunch this for new players, I don't think that excuse is going to make potential subscribers go

"Oh, I guess I will keep paying to play even if this seems like a boring, grindy, crappy game, because some dude who got to rank 50 by failing leves every reset told me I am too low level to judge."

You simply don't have the knowledge to argue the level curve, you HAVE NOT seen it ergo you're basing your arguments over nothing.

I have, twice. Mind you, you continue to repeat like a mantra that we already have level 50s, but we're all actively leveling lower level classes now.
Void argument is void and pointless.

[LuxLex]

I see you don't challenge me on the auto-failing of leves. That is how you got to 50 isn't it?

Since I've gotten all of my levels (on multiple jobs) the legit way, I think I know a hell of a lot more about the SP curve than you.

[Kensei]

So now it turns out only those who get to R50 and finish leveling can judge leveling and those still ranking up dealing with it on a daily basis know nothing. The idiocy of some people is mind-boggling.

[Abriael]

I see you don't challenge me on the auto-failing of leves. That is how you got to 50 isn't it?

Actually i got my first 50 when auto failing leves was not even on the horizon (and leveling was MUCH, MUCH harder than it is now or before the patch), and got my second mostly with grind parties. Sorry mate, as usual you base your arguments on wild and baseless assumptions.

Since I've gotten all of my levels (on multiple jobs) the legit way, I think I know a hell of a lot more about the SP curve than you.

I'll have you know that at level 33 you haven't even see HALF of the leveling curve. Yes, you're not even half way, and you just did the easiest part. Hope that doesn't shock you.

So now it turns out only those who get to R50 and finish leveling can judge leveling and those still ranking up dealing with it on a daily basis know nothing. The idiocy of some people is mind-boggling.

Indeed it is, especially when someone thinks he can argue (in a rather antagonistic, rude and basically libelous way, by the way) about something he didn't experience and quite evidently know very little about.

You're doing nothing else than talking in wild assumptions and hearsay, because you didn't experience what you're talking about at all.

[LuxLex]

No, man I can look at a graph of SP. I don't need to waste my life doing it to see it there. I also have leveled a lot of jobs, not just my thm, though it is the highest (one level higher than my alchemy).