SP nerfed. We were lied to.

[Charismatic]

Doesn't matter one bit who has done what in the past as far as leveling is concerned because NONE OF THAT IS VALID ANYMORE.
What matters is what the SP is like now. What I can tell you now is that group grinding blows all the other options out of the water in the 20s at the very least. There's literally no point to even bothering with guildleves and behests because in the time it takes to go get the leve then go back to the camp you could be killing stuff and grouping with other folks you see killing and getting more SP than you'd have gotten from the leve in the same amount of time and then there's the fact that grinding is sustained EXP. You don't run out of 'grind leves', you just keep killing. Unless you want guild marks you are wasting your time.

[Davorok]

http://kalsianpublishing.com/under-construction.gif "This says it all for me"

[Cichy]

This whole SP nerf would been fine post 1.20 when we see the jobs, beastmen strongholds, alot more content that people could do along the way.
If there were 5 more dungeons, proper party seek function, redesigned maps with proper exp camps, proper behest, campaign like system, etc etc, flying pigs and chocobos, no one would've mind gimp exp as long as the way to 50 would been enjoyable.
However, now it's a grind and not a pleasant one. Should've really thought this through SE.

[LuxLex]

on the bright side Cichy, you leveled one of the 3 jobs people want to bring into the R45 dungeon



lucky you.

[Charismatic]

This whole SP nerf would been fine post 1.20 when we see the jobs, beastmen strongholds, alot more content that people could do along the way.
If there were 5 more dungeons, proper party seek function, redesigned maps with proper exp camps, proper behest, campaign like system, etc etc, flying pigs and chocobos, no one would've mind gimp exp as long as the way to 50 would been enjoyable.
However, now it's a grind and not a pleasant one. Should've really thought this through SE.

Agreed 110%. Would have been nice, too bad it isn't currently.

[Abriael]

No, man I can look at a graph of SP. I don't need to waste my life doing it to see it there. I also have leveled a lot of jobs, not just my thm, though it is the highest (one level higher than my alchemy).

Leveling "a lot of jobs" gives you no experience of the whole level curve, considering that it changes a LOT from level 35 onwards. You lack experience, and are arguing over hearsay.

Doesn't matter one bit who has done what in the past as far as leveling is concerned because NONE OF THAT IS VALID ANYMORE.
What matters is what the SP is like now. What I can tell you now is that group grinding blows all the other options out of the water in the 20s at the very least. There's literally no point to even bothering with guildleves and behests because in the time it takes to go get the leve then go back to the camp you could be killing stuff and grouping with other folks you see killing and getting more SP than you'd have gotten from the leve in the same amount of time and then there's the fact that grinding is sustained EXP. You don't run out of 'grind leves', you just keep killing. Unless you want guild marks you are wasting your time.

Soorry, but this is bull. This whole thread is about the comparison between how the leveling curve was before and how it is now. If someone has NOT experienced the previous leveling curve, he lacks the tools to discuss this with any knowledge.

The point of bothering with guildleves and behests is that they're a very viable way of leveling when you don't have the time or will to get a party. That's quite a big point.

[Charismatic]

What? Okay, if you have 10min to play maybe a solo guildleve would be better than grinding... probably not though. The 1k SP bonus I get at the end of killing a few low SP giving enemies at this level is easily outweighed by asking a random person(s) I see killing stuff if they want to team up for a bit and killing a handful of enemies giving a couple hundred SP per. 5 kills, yes 5... 5 kills beats the bonus I'm getting from leves at this level.


EDIT: Let me also add that this isn't conjecture, this is from experience. I'd done a leve or two at Horizon and then did Behest yesterday, as usual. Both gave absolutely horrid SP compared to pre-patch numbers as I'm sure you'd guess.
After the behest was over, a single ARC stayed in party with me and we killed Aldgoats and in 20minutes we're already gotten more SP than I got from my leves and the behest total. After a while a wandering ARC saw us killing and asked to join the group... I was thinking "why the hell not?" and invited him... the SP got even better. Perhaps your experiences are differenet at higher ranks but as things stand leves and behest are utterly pointless at this rank.

[Abriael]

What? Okay, if you have 10min to play maybe a solo guildleve would be better than grinding... probably not though. The 1k SP bonus I get at the end of killing a few low SP giving enemies at this level is easily outweighed by asking a random person(s) I see killing stuff if they want to team up for a bit and killing a handful of enemies giving a couple hundred SP per. 5 kills, yes 5... 5 kills beats the bonus I'm getting from leves at this level.

Wrong. Group grinding > Guild Leves > Solo Grinding

And that's a pretty obvious equation considering that making a group requires more effort and organization, and as such it should be rewarded more. Effort -> Reward.
Simple.

[Charismatic]

So... what exactly in my post was wrong? I didn't say anything at all that disagrees with what you just said.
Stop being so busy saying wrong wrong wrong that you don't even read the content of a post... that aside, read the edit I just made while you're at it.

[LuxLex]

Shh, dude is the only one that can be right.