Initial enmity generation and player bad habits.

[Duelle]

I am having to say something like "please don't use regen during a pull"

I'm still coming to terms with why the devs would make overhealing from HoTs generate aggro. Regen (or should I say, Prayer of Mending) prior to pull is a habit healers from WoW developed to cushion damage taken by the tank during the pull while the tank positions the boss and so on. That tactic may not seem valid or useful here with stoneskin and adloquium, but a WAR tank would benefit from having that extra cushion of healing, for example.

[TouchandFeel]

@Duelle

You have touched upon what I feel is a big contributor to people not using their abilities or playing their classes/jobs correctly, they assume that X works just like it did in WoW instead of seeing FF14 as a separate game with its own mechanics and then learning those mechanics.

[Sapphic]

I thought popping quelling strikes at start of boss/trial fights was common knowledge.

I don't think I've ever had my Drg steal enmity at start of a fight, but always have elusive jump just in case. Mnk doesn't have a way to reduce enmity, but unless they use PB/b4b/IR and go all out at start, they don't have dps to tear away enmity at start.

MNK shouldn't be popping BfB until 3 stacks anywho.

[whoopeeragon]

That regen before tank pulls a pack of mobs.

The tanks that pull the next group of mobs while Regen is still on them...

That's my pet peeve as a WHM, for when after one group of mobs dies they instantly pull the next without checking their status for Regen or Medica II. I can't control how fast you kill the mobs, so if you kill them before the Regen tick wears off, at least have some sense to click it off.

[Jaykos]

Tomahawk and shield lob also hit like a wet noodle and don't generate snap threat.

While im here plox SE level 55 trait for shield lob to hit 2 then 3 targets with a 5 yard minimum range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvSTxxOq6dg

[Gilraen]

Alot of these high level players today learned their roles in Fates, that is to say they didn't. They were part of those Fate grind lynch mobs where the standard enmity mechanics are tossed out the window in favor of some strange form of weighted enmity system, where most of the time the person with aggro would have to either leave the Fate or die in order to lose it. Thus you've got players that dump everything at every mob and expect their enmity bleed moves to save them, if they even remember to use them. This is very counter-intuitive learning. Worse still, these Fate-kids are 'teaching' newer players that their way is the proper way to play their roles. I mean, there's even a belief going around that healers who don't DD are terrible healers that should be kicked in favor of 'good' healers. Seriously. It's a 'crime' to just heal, now. It makes me sad.

[Fornix]

Just for clarification, the situation you are describing is not what I was talking about, I have no problem with dps going all out at the beginning IF they are using quelling. The problem I brought up was with dps that either start before the tank has engaged or even gotten in a lob or who go all out and don't use a enmity reduction ability.

This really is the main problem in most cases. There's a great lack of ranged tanking abilities. So whenever they pull prior to me hitting a target, things get messy. If they wait for me to at least have thrown in a shield lob and be in melee range of the boss, it's no problem anymore. With comparable ilvls even quelling strikes is no longer needed in single target encounters. The enmity burst of a paladin is sufficient to outdo DPS classes going crazy. If their ilvl is a few levels higher, than quelling is most certainly welcome. Either that, or being able to read their own threat bars.

The worst thing out of it all though is that people often don't appear to relize that the best course of action upon snatching aggro at the start, is to simply do nothing. Instead they just keep dps'ing, keep building additional threat. Rendering the thrown in provoke useless and forcing me as a tank to physically run to the other end of the room. Often to by then just have their squishy body dropped dead to the floor and have the target start hitting DPS #2 who also happily kept building threat during the entire ordeal.

So sometimes I just let them have their fun, go BRB, get something to drink and continue when they can play more serious .

[Nuinn]

Seriously. It's a 'crime' to just heal, now. It makes me sad.

Nah, it certainly isn't a crime to just heal but, after grinding the same dungeons for months in order to get whatever, every second spent longer in there feels like an eternity. It's completely irrational, yet it's just how it is. SE's recycling of old content to make a messy patchwork they call "new content" is to blame and it's only natural that most will want to deal with what they've already "completed" in the past as soon as possible.

[Vespar]

Something Ive been seeing alot of lately (especially in lvl 50 dungeons) is tanks pulling with provoke, then when all the mobs run at the dps/healers they get annoyed.

[Lanceton]

It's a matter of communication and efficiency

The truth is, if a tank knows what to do when, unless totally out-geared by a DPS or heal, there shouldn't be any aggro issue whatsoever.

so in an ideal setup, say a top notch static coil group, things like quelling strike is really just a waste of dps (no please don't argue on this)
however in pugs the situation is different, you get mediocre players who don't 100% know what they're doing, tank, dps and healers alike.

my suggestion - learn to tank better, and consider a full group of 'trigger happy' teammates a great chance to hone your tanking skill.
you have so much more than the typical 1-2-3 combo and provoke at your disposal, learn to use them effectively and win some commendations.