Initial enmity generation and player bad habits.

[TouchandFeel]

@Fyce

Sort of what you said, I just consider a pull having started when the tank moves in to engage and it is usually during that time or after the initial shield lob that I see the regen get cast. After shield lob can sometimes be okay for a single mob, but not for a pack as aoe agro has not been established yet.

@Teryaani

Sadly, I have been seeing this in all the content but yeah ST is probably the worst.

[Sapphic]

I've seen this from PLD too, mostly due to the constant starting of pulls with Provoke (seriously people, don't do this, Provoke only syncs your aggro with the person who is currently highest on the aggro meter, it does nothing when nobody has hit the enemy), lack of Shield Lobbing, and not being able to hold the hate on 3 enemies (is it too much to ask for the PLD to cycle through the enemies with the Halone combo so each one is hit by a bonus enmity move?).

Voke pulling can be useful in rare occassions due to its longer range than shield lob, to get that patrol without aggroing the pack, albeit more so in lower level dungeons than max level where ya just pull em all regardless :P

Lost City, last trash before boss, helps to split them.

[NyneAlexander]

Voke pulling can be useful in rare occassions due to its longer range than shield lob, to get that patrol without aggroing the pack, albeit more so in lower level dungeons than max level where ya just pull em all regardless :P

Lost City, last trash before boss, helps to split them.

Disagree with this statement about voke. I feel like blowing your "oh sh*t i need hate" move to circumvent the range of shield lob is a bad habit to get into, particularly since voke has such a long cooldown.

[KingOfAbyss]

Recently I have been seeing a lot of players that seem to not understand how enmity generation works or don't seem to care, particularly during a pull or that initial enmity generation period.
If this was only in low lvl content, I could understand but this has been happening mainly in high lvl content.

What I have been seeing lately.
- OT's staying in tank stance during bosses, even when there are no adds. There is really no reason for this, it reduces your dps and makes it so you potentially end up fighting for aggro control.
- Healers using HoT spells (regen, med 2) during a pull. Healing generates aggro and a HoT means you have established a constant stream of aggro towards you, multiply that by a full party that you just cast med 2 on and you have just painted a huge target on yourself.
- DPS going all out with their attacks and offensive cooldowns during a pull and not using their aggro reduction abilities. Damage generates aggro and big spike damage can generate a decent chunk of it which can easily mess up a pull if the tank is still running to the boss to pull or has not even got in their initial aggro generation.

Has anyone else been seeing this regularly as well?

Since I've began playing in 2.0, it's been the current usage.

I tend not to bother, as I can change myself, but I have no control over others, except letting them the aggro and hopefully the healer let them die so they know. Same with the Healer. I will use my provoke to get aggro back, if someone still insist of getting the aggro back, be my guest.

It take a few shot ahead from the Tank before you begin blasting stuff or healing, it's not supposed to be this hard to understand the concept.. yet..

It's sad, but that's what you end up playing with more than just 24 people from your own circle of friends.

[Gralna]

I thought popping quelling strikes at start of boss/trial fights was common knowledge.

I don't think I've ever had my Drg steal enmity at start of a fight, but always have elusive jump just in case. Mnk doesn't have a way to reduce enmity, but unless they use PB/b4b/IR and go all out at start, they don't have dps to tear away enmity at start.

[Mardel]

The problem comes down to this:

Warrior not using unchained tomahawk. Followed by SOME weave of berserk at the end of their threat combo. (obviously in defiance)

Paladin not using Fight or Flight >> shield lob >> circle of scorn >> threat combo. (With shield oath)


What I tend to see is... tank run in tomahawk/shield lob and think that's good enough. (I was guilty of this once before)
The other bad habit is...when they lose threat they keep throwing shield lob thinking it will magically get their hate back.

If you lose threat on paladin you could at least use cover on the threat target....

[Elim]

The WHM part of your post confused me for a second. At first I thought you were saying never to use medica 2. Lol.

Know what another bad habit is? BRDs or even sometimes BLMs going balls to the wall on a boss before a tank even has the chance to use shield lob/tomahawk. Then the BRD/BLM will turn around and QQ that he has aggro for a few seconds. It actually happens fairly often, unless you're lucky and get a group of vet players.

[Hyouretsuzan]

The problem comes down to this:


Paladin not using Fight or Flight >> shield lob >> circle of scorn >> threat combo. (With shield oath)

I dunno about using Fight or Flight before shield lob. It's not needed. Better to activate it after shield lob. If you choose to do fight or flight before lob you won't get the last buffed rage of halone and circle of scorn. I mean it's whatever I guess? If you care for damage. Buutttttttt buffed rage of halone is a good enmity boost.

[Mardel]

I dunno about using Fight or Flight before shield lob. It's not needed. Better to activate it after shield lob. If you choose to do fight or flight before lob you won't get the last buffed rage of halone and circle of scorn. I mean it's whatever I guess? If you care for damage. Buutttttttt buffed rage of halone is a good enmity boost.

If I do the pull properly I have enough timer on flight or flight to re-apply circle of scorn under the buff. So thats 2 circle of scorn under Fight or flight. (I think that's 2 rage of halone combos in between.)

So I don't see the issue, but you can't slack you need to be on point to get it done correctly.

[Ashkendor]

The problem comes down to this:

Warrior not using unchained tomahawk. Followed by SOME weave of berserk at the end of their threat combo. (obviously in defiance)

Paladin not using Fight or Flight >> shield lob >> circle of scorn >> threat combo. (With shield oath)

What I tend to see is... tank run in tomahawk/shield lob and think that's good enough. (I was guilty of this once before)
The other bad habit is...when they lose threat they keep throwing shield lob thinking it will magically get their hate back.

If you lose threat on paladin you could at least use cover on the threat target....

Funny, the problem I see is trigger-happy DPS that can't be bothered to use Quelling Strikes.

I'd rather save Cover for an actual clutch moment rather than one person that's too lazy to use a buff.

Not to mention the biggest culprits are BLM/BRD, which are almost always out of range.