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    Player
    Dimitrias's Avatar
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    Lyzon Valtin
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 50

    Had trouble keeping a squishy tank alive

    I've been playing whm and havn't really had much trouble keeping tanks alive, but the other day when I ran brayflox normal for the 3rd time the tank we had hp droped very fast compaired to the others.

    The tank ended up dying on the first set of mobs. I was outa range to heal for like 2 seconds before I could readjust he alrdy went down and I'm like umm ok.

    We got to the first boss with the 2 adds, and he held the boss on the wrong side of the room from where they usually hold it. Again after several minutes of that fight he went down. I had to start constantly casting cure 2. Shortly after he died I ran completely outa mp.

    Well after that fight I got kicked from the group. I never had trouble healing tanks like that before that run.

    Should I just be spamming cure 2 with a tank like that? He did hold agro well though I just couldn't keep up. I've been doing cure 1 and using cure 2 with the free cure proc. How should I handle tanks like that?

    I know my gear is up to date, because I also craft and keep all my lvls together.
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    Did you check his gear? A lot of lowbie tanks seem to neglect their gear progression as they level; that, or they go all DPS gear.

    If you were healing appropriately, the only reason I can think of for his swift demise is bad/inappropriate gear and/or poor use of defensive CDs.
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  3. #3
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    Magus Sinspotter
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    Coeurl
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    Did you check his gear? A lot of lowbie tanks seem to neglect their gear progression as they level; that, or they go all DPS gear.

    If you were healing appropriately, the only reason I can think of for his swift demise is bad/inappropriate gear and/or poor use of defensive CDs.
    could be broken gear. CDs don't really get crucial until the high level content or speed runs I don't think.

    They do help! especially tanks taking ludicrous dmg.
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfire8974 View Post
    could be broken gear. CDs don't really get crucial until the high level content or speed runs I don't think.

    They do help! especially tanks taking ludicrous dmg.
    Once you get into the 30+ dungeons, some pulls and bosses with adds can actually hurt the tank; otherwise I agree, CDs aren't usually going to make or break at that level.
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    Hiraeth Petrichor
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 90
    My bet would be he was lacking Defense or Parry on his gear or had broken gear. I'd probably assume he had broken gear as I had a similar experience in SV(HM) with an appropriately geared WAR that I just could not keep up the heals with as SCH. A couple broken pieces of gear can make a tank super squishy.
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    Asny Rak'nys
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    Cerberus
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    Bard Lv 70
    Either DSP gear non job or if war non defiance. And any of the list possibly as well.
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    Paul Wilson
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    Leviathan
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Brayflox is tricky for tanks who aren't overgeared, and it's at an uncomfortable level position. Even the first fight can be nasty if nobody has a sleep.
    But yeah, like everyone's saying, chances are that the tank had some gear problems. Brush off the dust, take on the next.
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    Leigaon's Avatar
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    Character
    Zara Diaspora
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Carpenter Lv 63
    Usually when a tank is going down like a sack of bricks in any dungeon I'm healing it's usually because he's wearing horrible gear, not using cool downs and standing in the middle of every AOE he can possibly get himself into and just ...holding hate.

    I know at this level cool downs aren't a game breaker, but if his gear is crap not using those cool downs makes things even harder. This doesn't seem like your fault but..healers are easily blamed.
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    Last edited by Leigaon; 10-14-2014 at 11:08 PM.

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    Duuude007's Avatar
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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Armorer Lv 80
    Inexperienced tanks are pretty easily exposed for their flaws by Brayflox due to more frequent AoEs, harder hitting mobs, and numerous patrols.

    Especially when it comes to Paladins, who have swd oath and flash as their main sources of enmity, and use of defensive skills like rampart and foresight are usually forgotten.

    Worse so are the tanks who are using under-leveled/broken gear (especially Chest/Pants and Mainhand/Offhand) or have the idea that anything but VIT stat allocation is a good idea at that level of content.
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Could be so many things. Borderline-gear, broken gear, poor/no use of CDs...

    Next time check his gear. Unfortunately, in these situations, sometimes there's really just not much you can do. Once in ST we had a war tank that barely met the ilvl requirement and still thought room wide pulls were a good idea... even with both of us healers focused on him we just couldn't keep him alive.

    If a tank's squishy, well, advise them to pull fewer mobs (if possible).... if they seem friendly, perhaps check how they're using CDs. Unfortunately, in my experience, squishy tanks tend to blame the healer...

    In the low levels, brayflox NM is IMO the first real gear/skill check for tanks. I've definitely had a few that simply couldn't do that dungeon. Stuff there hits hard and if they're not up to par...
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