about egi's models

[Dwill]

I don't play summoner, but I honestly think they really could do with some kind of rework both from a visual standpoint as well as gameplay-wise. Maybe as the summoner gets more powerful (higher level) their summons evolve as well. So when the new expansion comes out with a higher level cap summoners above 50 have their summons look a little more like primals and are a little bigger like OP suggested. Also, no this is not a "I want XI summoner" post, this is about making it up to par with pretty much any other game out there that has a class similar in style.

I guess this will need to be posted every page of this thread at this point :

We discussed your feedback about the design of the egi with the development team. As was mentioned previously during the Beta test, the design planner reiterated that egi were designed to be a manifestation of a percentage of power taken from the primals and are intentionally designed to appear differently from the primal. As such, we aren't planning on changing the look of egi at higher levels.

We will however continue to take in your feedback when creating new egi that will be added in the future.

[Alukah]

I guess this will need to be posted every page of this thread at this point :

You can make a new thread per day with that quote if you wish, but that wont change how people feel about this, that wont stop people from giving feedback and hoping for a change.

The sake of consistence isn't mandatory, they totally can revamp the first three egis. SE proved in the past to be able to dramaticaly change things if needed : at FFXI release, game design of some monsters was really horrible and wrong looking, they changed it later. On FFXIV, 1.X was "too heavy for a customer's machine" and other stuffs we all know, they discarded Tanaka and we got Yoshida + 2.0.
Consistence and Square Enix seems to not work together, which is a nice and a bad thing for us.

Oh I know they can, the last part of my post reads as "or they will have to change the first three."

[Dyne_Fellpool]

You can make a new thread per day with that quote if you wish, but that wont change how people feel about this, that wont stop people from giving feedback and hoping for a change.

No, but it does mean the horse is officially dead. Please stop beating it.

[Alukah]

No, but it does mean the horse is officially dead. Please stop beating it.

If the recent housing issue taught people anything, should be not to trust quotes that are 1 year old (or older).

It's not like you are being forced to read or participate in this discussion either so...

[Rumpelstiltzkin]

No, but it does mean the horse is officially dead. Please stop beating it.

Because developers can't ever change their mind.

[Exstal]

Unless the change is reasonable, I'll always be there to tell you why it's a stupid idea.

Please look forward to it.

[Atomnium]

Oh I know they can, the last part of my post reads as "or they will have to change the first three."

I wasn't meant to be aggressive to you sir, saw the last part of your post I just wanted to show examples of what SE did in the past about games and revamps.

I would most likely be more aggressive after reading things like below though.

"I've never seen nor heard of anyone complaining about the egis in game" .... *snip* .... "/troll" .... *snip* .... "1%" ...."aka-resume : I'm sooo right and I can prove it with advanced maths"

On a side note I respect your opinion Dwill even if it seems to not be the same of some people in this thread (myself included) but yeah... you seems to get pleasure at trolling people who want to see SMN getting revamps/improvements either on the dot side or/and the egis-look side...

Not wanting to see the job changing the way it work is totally understandable and it's absolutely your rights but I don't get why you would attack people about a cosmetic change on egis... Let's pretend you re in love with garuda-egi style (huh?!) would you say no to something more Garuda related? (and not what we have right now : a diseased and glowing green bird).

[Exstal]

you seems to get pleasure at trolling people who want to see SMN getting revamps/improvements either on the dot side or/and the egis-look side...

I don't understand this. Why is telling people that unfeasible changes that could cause more people to be angered than pleased..trolling? I believe that Dwill and I have nothing against QoL changes to any class that doesn't require tripling the work devs already have. Put forth a good idea and you'll find even people like us to agree (and in some cases disagree anyway). Put forth a stupid or wasteful idea and may your god have mercy on your soul.

[Atomnium]

I don't understand this. Why is telling people that unfeasible changes that could cause more people to be angered than pleased..trolling?

Since when replacing a model and its textures is unfeasible and even hard by a dev to a game? It can be done to the customer client by an amateur! And how would it broke the game at a point that people would flame the forum because egis would actually look better? (please don't argue about garuda-egi style, this poor thing look so wrong).
On a side note : Who re you to actually tell people that their ideas re wrongs /unfeasibles or will lead to angers, since neither you nor me have a clue of what will really happen... It's all up to the dev team, all we can do as players is to give "ideas" right here.

Put forth a good idea and you'll find even people like us to agree

Right, would you agree to make garuda-egi actually looking like more garuda or at least being relevant to the main model? And not like a glowing green vulture!
Also, please don't use the "onoes, poor devs got already so many works to do /sadface, let's not make them focus on useless changes /emo-eyes" If they can spare development times for new mounts and fluffy minions design every d*mn patches... They totally can revamp 3 existing models to something better with littles efforts.

[Dwill]

On a side note I respect your opinion Dwill even if it seems to not be the same of some people in this thread (myself included) but yeah... you seems to get pleasure at trolling people who want to see SMN getting revamps/improvements either on the dot side or/and the egis-look side...

It has nothing to do with trolling. That word has become so horribly misused that it seems everyone has forgotten its meaning. I'm just stating my point of view and said point of view seems to anger people because it disagrees with theirs. That's not trolling.

Everyone wants their opinion to be substantiated, but unless you actually do a player-wide poll, either side guessing at statistics is silly. Since not complaining out loud =/= Happy with the design.
Being shouted down as a 'vocal minority' is so dumb regardless of the topic for this reason.

In a MMO, something that is terribly broken (Warrior on release) or hated to a degree big enough (Atmas) will create waves of complaints. The amount of complaints if something really was broken with summoner would be much worse than they are now. So yes, it is a vocal minority, whether you like it or not.

I don't understand this. Why is telling people that unfeasible changes that could cause more people to be angered than pleased..trolling? I believe that Dwill and I have nothing against QoL changes to any class that doesn't require tripling the work devs already have. Put forth a good idea and you'll find even people like us to agree (and in some cases disagree anyway). Put forth a stupid or wasteful idea and may your god have mercy on your soul.

Exactly. I disagree with some people, agree with some. If someone brings forth genuine, well thought ideas, I might agree with them, even if they warrant a change in playstyle for the class. I will actually respect people with a different opinion (if it looks like they have a clue) than mine. A lot of people should take a page out of Spellbinder's book. While we don't agree on all the same thing for summoner, he at least brings forth his arguments to back up his claims and I respect the guy for it.

Since when replacing a model and its textures is unfeasible and even hard by a dev to a game? It can be done to the customer client by an amateur! And how would it broke the game at a point that people would flame the forum because egis would actually look better? (please don't argue about garuda-egi style, this poor thing look so wrong).
On a side note : Who re you to actually tell people that their ideas re wrongs /unfeasibles or will lead to angers, since neither you nor me have a clue of what will really happen... It's all up to the dev team, all we can do as players is to give "ideas" right here.


Right, would you agree to make garuda-egi actually looking like more garuda or at least being relevant to the main model? And not like a glowing green vulture!
Also, please don't use the "onoes, poor devs got already so many works to do /sadface, let's not make them focus on useless changes /emo-eyes" If they can spare development times for new mounts and fluffy minions design every d*mn patches... They totally can revamp 3 existing models to something better with littles efforts.

It's not a matter of hard, long or costly. Changing something that is aesthetic can be a dangerous thing to do since it can create just as more harm than it would try to solve. Yes there are people who despises the Egis. But there are also people who likes them. Everything here is in the eye of the beholder. Changing something like in game model of summons isn't trivial. You'd need to redesign the whole models, more than likely change their animations. To know what to change them to you have to have meeting with your art team to get their insight, with your regional teams to get the feedback they have in various region, with your lore team to make sure what the other two team have can be implemented with breaking the lore. Once all of this is done, you have to coordinate with your project manager to assign people to the project, assign an time table to said team. Before all of this can begin, Yoshida would have to give his okay for the project.

All of these things share one thing in common: time. With all the projects and ideas Square Enix have for this game, time is an extremely valuable resource. It's one they cannot afford on spending on something that might a specific subset of player happier. For all we know, they could make it even worse than it actually is. Square Enix doesn't want to cross that line, especially since it seems to be working just fine as it is now because let's be honest, it is impossible to please everyone no matter how awesome things might look or how a game might feel.

People have to see this from Square Enix's perspective. Not everything is as simple as it seems, especially in a business like a gaming company.

On my own point of view for the Egis' appearance, I think it would help tremendously if they could have HD textures. I think it would help alleviate a lot of the issue players have over their looks while using a resource that the rest of the game could use as well. The thing is that I think changing them is a waste of the developers' time when it could be used on much better things that affects the playerbase as a whole but in the end, if they do end up changing them, I won't even be mad over it.

"Unfeasible changes" is your opinion, don't forget that, you cannot decide what is wasteful either, you don't know what devs can or cannot do, you don't know how much work it would take to change this. I think it would be better to focus our agreement and disagreements on the change itself and let the real devs worry if it can or not be done.

Read the little wall-o-text above this quote.

And that reply was specifically for Dwill, not Dwill and you, Dwill has pretty obvious posting habits, it doesn't even require a deep analysis to his post history to see it.

Yes, I disagree with a lot of people. No it's not a secret. Yes people hate it. No I don't care because the people's approval is not what I'm looking for.