Relic and Determination Materia Oversight

[sackm]

Wrong, a SMN Novus can have +44 crit and +31 determination (nexus +46, +32). Your right about it being imbalanced though

[Alistaire]

Wrong, a SMN Novus can have +44 crit and +31 determination (nexus +46, +32). Your right about it being imbalanced though

That is what he said. 31 det, 31 crit, and 13 more of a secondary (other than det).

It's imbalanced because it needed to be, for the reason I stated above; the only alternative was to make each det materia use up 1.5 alexandrite, and that would just be wonky.

It would be extremely easy to implement if they so chose to, allow anyone to add 44 points of det. If you put 44 points into det, the result is 31 points on the final result. Just like every other weapon in the game. Not that I mind the current implementation, my novus and my nexus will enjoy the extra Det I get on there. It does, however, lead to some very insane prices on Tier IV Det materia as it is the must have stat for almost every novus.

However, what's more baffling is why they chose to give Det a non-standard stat weight in the first place. All of the other normal secondaries are normalized such that the amount we see on materia and gear is consistent (does not count PIE which is sort of a weird hybrid primary&secondary stat anyway).

If you did that there'd be rounding issues for people not going all the way. I'm sure all these things were discussed when planning novus and they ended up saying "ya know what, let's just leave it, let it be a small bonus for the effort, since it's the simplest way to implement it".

And yeah, det being non-standard is odd, they could have, at any point, just converted the #s into the ratio other secondaries have, round things up so people don't complain, and leave it at that. But now that novus is out there would definitely be complaints, since you'd be gimping either people with novus or people with the intent to work on it.

[Giantbane]

If you did that there'd be rounding issues for people not going all the way.

this is what happens on every other piece of gear in the game. You allocate so many stat points for det, the stat weight is applied and the result is rounded. Only difference is you'd actually see it happen (to some degree) on a point per point basis

And yeah, det being non-standard is odd, they could have, at any point, just converted the #s into the ratio other secondaries have, round things up so people don't complain, and leave it at that. But now that novus is out there would definitely be complaints, since you'd be gimping either people with novus or people with the intent to work on it.

Even if you did change it now, nobody with the novus would be gimped, it would just remove the bonus so they were the same power as every other weapon in the game. No more and no fewer stats, just equal.

Sure people would complain, but people complain about everything. They'd get over this, it's not a huge impact.

[Alistaire]

this is what happens on every other piece of gear in the game. You allocate so many stat points for det, the stat weight is applied and the result is rounded. Only difference is you'd actually see it happen (to some degree) on a point per point basis

Except that you don't put time and effort into each of those stats only to have your 75th alexandrite not give a +1 due to rounding. Not gonna happen.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Except that you don't put time and effort into each of those stats only to have your 75th alexandrite not give a +1 due to rounding. Not gonna happen.

and they would have to implement a system that shows u the rounding or explains to you "yeah, go get 44 get iv materia, were just going to round it down to 31, and the gil u spent, you might as well as shoved it up a lala's a**

[Lord_Zlatan]

it would just remove the bonus so they were the same power as every other weapon in the game. No more and no fewer stats, just equal.

what your proposing doesn't work across the board. you can't single out players that actually decided to go all the way. I did not. I went with an even distribution of 27 determination, 33 crit, and 18 accuracy. I used only materia that I had and didn't wanna waste time spiritnonding and rushed it because shiny.

It is a huge impact for people that put a 3rd secondary on their novus. what you are saying is erasing stat points that are the remainder from the rounded get values. No. I put accuracy on my relic as a 3rd stat also so that I would have to worry less about i in 2,4 and could gear up and not have to worry about not having acc to start with. Why should I have to suffer because I decided to think outside the box (and save gil)?