[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[dragonfire8974]

capstone abilities always worked different for different classes. I would really hate to see them get homogenized

[Akiza]

Arcanist
Adepts of the art of arcanum derive their might from symbols of power born of geometric techniques hailing from across the southern seas. Held within occult grimoires, these symbols lend shape to the arcanist's aether, thereby allowing him to produce myriad powerful spells.
Using the selfsame symbols to unlock the latent power contained within gemstones, arcanists are also able to summon forth the familiar known as Carbuncle to carry out their bidding
Game Lore is not the same as Class Lore and according to the lore Arcanist manipulate geometric objects to control magic which is what Space-Time is. Bio, Miasma and Virus are have nothing to do with manipulating geometry they have more to do with Black Magic which falls under Black Mage not Arcane Magic.

Summoner
“The beast tribes of Eorzea worship and summon forth beings known as primals, among which are Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan. Yet what is a god to one man is a demon to another, for the city-states of Eorzea see these beings as a grave threat to their collective survival.
In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will. Known simply as summoners, the existence of these men and women and their arcane art have been all but lost to the ages.”

According to lore the Summon should have two tier Pets Egis and Primals and Summoner's should have Arcane Magic as well.

[Exstal]

You basically confirmed that you're a liar.

[dragonfire8974]

Arcanist
Game Lore is not the same as Class Lore and according to the lore Arcanist manipulate geometric objects to control magic which is what Space-Time is. Bio, Miasma and Virus are have nothing to do with manipulating geometry they have more to do with Black Magic which falls under Black Mage not Arcane Magic.

you have confused a system of magic with a type of magic. their system of manipulation of symbols and objects is how they bring about magic in the world. what spells they cast (Bio, Miasma, Virus, et al) has nothing to do with how they cast their spells. Frankly, that lore is broad enough to cover any spell they'd wanna give.

Let me point out that Bio and Miasma are not black magic in FFXIV, and there is no such thing as 'Arcane Magic' in any other series Excepting Final Fantasy Advance 2 (which would make a super crappy MMO class after looking at it)

it has also been pointed out here that Primals take Tons of lives and crystals to summon it.

The Egi's are the transmutation of the primal's essence that can be controlled according to the game

[dragonfire8974]

You basically confirmed that you're a liar.

Not to mention created a "why people are leaving thread"

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-Realm-Reborn

not only does he want to change the game, he doesn't wanna play it

[Akiza]

Not to mention created a "why people are leaving thread"

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...A-Realm-Reborn

not only does he want to change the game, he doesn't wanna play it

I still play the game I just created that thread to make a drastic enough statement so Square will get the idea.

I can make as many drastic and outlandish Arcnaist/Summoner suggestions I want I don't have to worry about balance that's the developers job.

[Akiza]

You basically confirmed that you're a liar.

How am I a liar when I paraphrased the Lore from the game

[Dwill]

How am I a liar when I paraphrased the Lore from the game

The game lore means manipulation of the Aether, not space-time. That theory came from you butchering the lore to fit your preconceived version of it, something you've done more than once.

I can make as many drastic and outlandish Arcnaist/Summoner suggestions I want I don't have to worry about balance that's the developers job.

Here's one of the (many) reasons why people don't take you seriously.

Advice, if it looks too powerful or looks too broken, they won't even bother with it. You seem to think that developper have an infinite amount of free time to test out every idiotic suggestions that they come across but here's a reality check, time is a developper's most strain ressource and they never have enough of it. They aren't going to waste it on some idiotic chase to find the path of what a true Arcanist/Summoner should be because some people without any semblance of understanding about basic MMO balance on the forums (which doesn't even represent 1% of a job's population) think the job doesn't fit the role they think it deserves.

On that note, have fun suggesting broken ideas which will never see the light of the day.

[dragonfire8974]

I still play the game I just created that thread to make a drastic enough statement so Square will get the idea.

I can make as many drastic and outlandish Arcnaist/Summoner suggestions I want I don't have to worry about balance that's the developers job.

*sigh* I would hope you would care about the game as a whole and would suggest things to improve it. There are some valid points about the Summoner that have been raised in this thread (not by you), but it is clear by your postings that you don't like the casual stuff, you don't like the hard stuff, you don't like the grindy stuff, and you don't like the character system. This point quoted shows your disdain for the game and that makes me really sad... Don't try to change a game you don't wanna play, find something you do enjoy

[Mimilu]

Can we all just ignore Akiza?
We're just feeding her at this rate and she doesn't seem to want to be reasonable or logic (unless she can twist it)? :B