Please put everything on Duty Finder as soon as it is released.

[Zaiken]

Do you mean coil or primals? Primals should probably be in DF right away, but coil definitely shouldn't.

Regardless of which good luck getting pug kills in those places right at the beginning. DF is just an amalgamation of random people with no regard for skill levels. Pulling out a win in this context right when content comes out is nearly impossible.

95%+ of all wins would still come from premade groups.

Why do you assume that all Duty Finder people are bad and have no skill and you will never get a win? I been using DF sometime because LS/Friends is not on, or we short on a few people and win plenty of times, even Titan Extreme.

While I met a lot of bad players in DF, not all of them are bad, there are skill and clear people who use DF for quick access and when they are short on people, late night when party finder is quite dead.

It is also ironic that few of my friends been using DF for Titan Extreme, and often time we see that sometime PF is just as worst or yet even worst. Saying 95% of the win come from Premade is a bit stretching it. I seen plenty of bad premade Titan Ex and Ramuh Ex Party Finder and premade group.

[Devils_Lawyer]

Funny how some people are so negative about adding content to DF immidietly when it dosnt affect them in anyway.

Or are they worried that a DF group consisting of random players will beat stuff their static cant?

I welcome this idea, it will do no harm and if even if the chance of getting a good group or beating something in DF is very small, why not give the people that want this oppertunity a chance to atleast get some (if small) experiance on the content.

[Nghthawk]

Funny how some people are so negative about adding content to DF immidietly when it dosnt affect them in anyway.

Or are they worried that a DF group consisting of random players will beat stuff their static cant?

I welcome this idea, it will do no harm and if even if the chance of getting a good group or beating something in DF is very small, why not give the people that want this oppertunity a chance to atleast get some (if small) experiance on the content.

By doing what you are suggestion, a lot of people will have the content down a lot faster. Imagine getting practice on TCoB before going in and clearing it 10-14/15 in a matter of a hours/days. It there to stop progression faster than they can make content. Some people already do this but it stops everyone from doing so.

Yes this affects everyone, if you do the all the content 2 days after patch then what are you going to do. Craft? Gather? RP?

[Tiggy]

Why do you assume that all Duty Finder people are bad and have no skill and you will never get a win? I been using DF sometime because LS/Friends is not on, or we short on a few people and win plenty of times, even Titan Extreme.

While I met a lot of bad players in DF, not all of them are bad, there are skill and clear people who use DF for quick access and when they are short on people, late night when party finder is quite dead.

It is also ironic that few of my friends been using DF for Titan Extreme, and often time we see that sometime PF is just as worst or yet even worst. Saying 95% of the win come from Premade is a bit stretching it. I seen plenty of bad premade Titan Ex and Ramuh Ex Party Finder and premade group.

The difference is we are talking about brand spanking new everyone complete sucks at this content. Not content that's been out for a year now. Of course your bound to get wins in content that old. Does anyone here honestly expect a good experience from DF on day one of new content or even day 10?

Some of use DF not to get a win but for practice. It would be nice to get a quick exposure to the content as soon as it is released.

I'd be more inclined to believe this if party finder didn't exist, but it does so you can easily get quick exposure to practice the content as soon as it is released. Duty finder is not your only resource, and quite honestly if you join PF to practice then you're part of the reason people hate PF groups so much and why people think they are always bad. (Fun fact: The Japanese culture is so different that they believe it inappropriate to join the Duty Finder until they've already learned the fight. They instead use Party Finder to practice until they are good enough to enter the Duty Finder because they don't want to bring the group down. The exact opposite of how most American players do it.)

Once again I come back to my original question. Trials or coil? I'd be more inclined to say yes for the trials, but no I don't think coil should be set like this at all. The entire point in the way the locks are designed is to push people to make statics. It's what they want, and it's what a lot of the player base wants. With coil is specifically comes down to preserving a bit of content for the "hard core" part of the audience before putting it out there for everyone. I see no good reason for them to ever make that change. For every player who wants it easily accessible there is another who doesn't. You have to cater to both crowds, and many failed MMOs failed due to failing to have a meaningful end game. They won't do anything to sacrifice that end game and they shouldn't.

[kidvideo]

How dare you?

This is how I imagined this response https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4keg7cuHb0

[Devils_Lawyer]

By doing what you are suggestion, a lot of people will have the content down a lot faster. Imagine getting practice on TCoB before going in and clearing it 10-14/15 in a matter of a hours/days. It there to stop progression faster than they can make content. Some people already do this but it stops everyone from doing so.

Yes this affects everyone, if you do the all the content 2 days after patch then what are you going to do. Craft? Gather? RP?

Most content is put in DF from the get go except coil and if DF groups can down coil bosses in matter of days then either the system manage to pair 8 expert players in 1 df group or the boss is a cakewalk.

But why should players who cant get 7 other people and a time schedual that fits everyone be left out of endgame raiding?

[Nghthawk]

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You might want to take a step back and actually read what I said and you quoted. Let me refresh your memory

"Imagine getting practice on TCoB before going in and clearing it 10-14/15 in a matter of a hours/days." <-- Refers to getting practice in DF before doing the content in new coil.

For your last question is easy, they need to setup groups that are around their time frame. This is the same format with all MMO's, if you or they can't handle it then go play something that fits your life/play-style.

[Gextiv]

@Tiggy

Okay, the locks... are you saying they currently limit the number of times you can wipe in the current end game coil? If so, I would agree that it should not be added to the duty finder. If not, then I see little problem in adding it to the duty finder.

[Tauu]

Opening up DF to all content would make PF parties better. As it is now, many times the only way to gain experience with endgame fights is to hop into clear parties with no actual experience in order to gain experience, with the hope of not standing out as a super noob. So many clear parties end up devolving into learning parties or the experienced people rage quit because half of the participants don't really know the fight well. If everyone could practice first in DF this problem would be reduced.

[Mugiawara]

Seriously, why don't you put in little effort to open them up.
Its not a lot of time to do so, don't expect it to be handed to you. Kids these days.

It's harder to do content with people in a DF than a Static. It's even more challenging.
Sooo....not really getting nothing handed to me. I feel really proud to beat things with people in DF.
It also takes years to find a static that works for you, especially with everyone's time difference and probably
stuff in life to do. It's harder than it looks. So...your post is poo.