Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Moomba33]

I don't see the harm in adding this to be honest.
Groups that don't want to help people clear will kick when they see the new party member message pop up at the beginning of a duty anyways.

I also feel it's dishonest to join a farm group when you don't have clear exp.
I know it's hard to find groups to practice with sometimes (I have yet to clear t5+, Mog Ex, or Ramuh Ex myself) but other players aren't obligated to teach you.

If you have gotten close you can always message the party leader to see if they're willing to take you with your exp but it's their choice.
More incentives to help new players would be a welcome addition to the game though.

[Ryel]

This thread has gotten.. interesting to say the least

I think there's a general misunderstanding of what is being asked for, or rather the feelings behind this sort of request.

Having a "Clearance Required" check box in no way excludes players any more than the current options to set what jobs you'd like in your party. If a Party Finder creator decides they want to do a run with 5 Dragoons and sets up the conditions reflecting that, it's entirely within their right to do so regardless of the fact that you may have an ilvl 110 BRD and feel you should go. You have the option to ask them if they would like to change the conditions however and they have the right to do so or to refuse your request.

Players need to understand that the Party Finder is essentially a job / request board, It's designed for players to be able create a party tailored to their specifications. It isn't a free-for-all that entitles everyone to join every party posted even if they don't meet the requirements the leader is asking for. That mentality is inconsiderate of the playstyle and wishes of the person who took the time to set the conditions for their Party and also to the other players who actually joined and meet those requirements.

There is nothing elitist or exclusionary about this, as every player has an equal chance and ability to create their own party with their own requirements in the party finder should they wish to. When it comes down to it, the only party you have a right and are entitled to join is the one you have created yourself.

Luckily the Party Finder isn't the only way to do group content with strangers, the game does offer a free-for-all alternative that does not allow people to set requirements or control the party composition.

It's called the Duty Finder

I think one too many people are taking this personally when it has nothing to do with the feelings or exclusion of individual players, to say so is a gross misunderstanding of the design and function of what the Party Finder actually is.

[Alistaire]

I am not a troll. I truly believe the game should be more inclusive, and my points are not ridiculous, it just that everyone else here doesn't agree and doesn't like them. A "no newbie allowed" check box a.k.a "clearance condition" is fundamentally wrong.

Fixed that for ya. So 99% of people here understand the difference between duty finder and party finder, and what each is supposed to accomplish. Then there's you.

That should be the end of the thread now, yeah?

[AdamFyi]

Im not quite sure why everyone is jumping on Nya here truth be told.

As far as I've read, NyarukoW seems to be forcing down their opinion down other people's throats. Their points are valid, but the fact that they do not want to put into perspective of other people's views makes them lose credibility.

So no imo we don't need this feature, we need more incentives to help these people cross the gap and become like us rather then shunned by us because "we got lucky where they didn't"

IMO, they didn't get lucky. They practiced, and practiced, and practiced, and practiced, and they keep practicing until they get what they want. What's stopping new players is the initiative to take the long way instead of the shortcut. This is why selling runs is profitable - people are impatient and want everything now. Hence, this is the reason for people selling runs to take advantage of these impatient people. :x

[Kyri]

I see, I did not go through the last few pages one by one and I am loathe to have anyone force a opinion on anyone else, no matter what side. I just saw a lot of people cutting down one and, that isn't any more of the discussion then beating heads together trying forcing one to conform.

I can see logical arguments to both sides but still think a incentive like 150 allied seals would help the situation between players more so then this feature. I will agree that a great deal of us did practice and practice to beat such content and deserve the reward... It's just to this day I see people practice and practice and know the fight even today, but still are shunned from any possible win by a lack of those of us who are rather tired of the fight, want our drops and to never talk about it again. Understandable. We put in the blood sweat tears and want our dues. I am against the instant gratification bit that seems to be quite the norm today and to those who don't don't wish to put forth effort but I wish there was more of a way to be able to tell of whom those who aren't beating content have been trying and just unlucky to those who want it and want it now.

As it stands now im just repeating my stance towards incentives to help people and don't wish to to be "that person" so ill bid you all a goodnight and leave you to your discussion.

[AdamFyi]

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This is the kind of mindset we need in these forums! People should really look to and understand both perspectives before engaging in an argument. But yeah, I can understand people being locked out of getting a clear, however, that's why I personally use the send tell function on the PF. Asking before you join lets people to decide to make an exception for you - asking sincerely is the key.

So let me make this clear to everyone; The only time anyone really gets excluded is when they decide that they are excluded from anything. However, this doesn't give anyone the right to not try or lie. Be more accepting and sincere when you are with other people!

However, I'm still keeping my stance on the matter. I personally think that this feature would be a good addition.

[Ashkendor]

You can try to farm using the PF, but you are the mercy of others who also want to farm. Beggars can't be choosers.

Putting a party up in PF does not make me a beggar, and it certainly does not mean I can't choose who joins.

I mean, people on my blacklist can't join my party. That's exclusionary too so I guess we should get rid of it?

And new players are not a nuisance. People think they know stuff after they watched video right? So if they think they can farm why not let them try? If they wipe the party you can remove them, and then put it up back on the PF. I've always advocated that people say they are new. You can see this in any of my posts. You want to slander the newbies and accuse them of lying, when they did no such thing, and beside they can't that 1st-time myth bonus will show up. The clearance condition won't help you with people claim to have skill and experience but does not because they bought their clears. So you rather give them a chance, because they paid RMT and bought a clear?

Any players that lie about having a previous clear or lie about knowing the content are a nuisance whether they are new or not. The fact is, the odds are better that someone with a previous clear will know the content as compared to someone without a previous clear. I've never once said that there aren't people out there with no clear that don't know the content, (I'm actually in that boat with Titan EX right now myself, have been to under 10% several times but not yet cleared it) but that's a special situation that you should talk to the party lead about.

As an aside, RMT is not the only way to afford to merc a clear. Seriously, they're like 500-700k on my server.

[Seif]

That awkard moment when in the duty you signed up for the message "there's one new member to this duty" appears because the pl is it.

[Brill_]

Will be interesting to see what the community looks like a year from now. More content comes out that is locked behind previous content. I can't imagine segregation will be good for the game in the long run.

[Madoka]

This would be fine to me. I've only joined two successful Ramuh Ex "Farms" because of new people diving in or people with barely any experience.

Is it going to solve a bad player who got carried? No. But it will help filter out people who would change a farm party into a wipe party. I know as soon as I see I'm the only person picking up excess orbs or being firm on shocking charmed people while 3 people with numbers lower than me are running in and out unsure if they should shock if the party is going to succeed.

As for people without clears who are actually capable but could never find parties, that's often me. I simply send the party leader a tell and explain how far I've been/what I know. I'm a good enough player that once I join any doubts they have will be cleared if they're watching my performance. At this point most of my linkshells are FC linkshells of their coil/other hard content statics that I get invited to join on stuff after proving I was good.