Now that Nexus is out... still a good idea to put piety on Blm Novus or no?

[Urielparadox]

Considering I'm ss speckled and my comments where more against det, I don't know why you atked me for ss. It counts procs on percentage not a proc in relation to your rotation and how it's going to effect your Astral fire/umbra ice phase in the current fight. I use those guides as a referance and then go do test. The extra piety gives you spell flexibility that a calculator can not test. If you want to try it go try it. If not don't, but never piety is a bad answer if you have never done it yourself. I don't have the time to go do 1000 coil runs while locked out to provide a good sample. In fact since I got my new job I barely have time to play.

[Numenor1379]

Yeah, not a big fan of how they did the stat upgrade myself. Even flipping to a CRIT build is prohibitively expensive on my Server due to a certain FC buying all materia below the price they want it at. DET IV used to be 300k... Now it is between 750k-1M thanks to them, similar increases have happened to CRIT and Parry. So far SSPD is still cheap thankfully (75-90k).

[Renryuu]

Ouch, yeah I had to settle with adding Acc to my Smn weapon, but with my Blm one I don't wanna flub it up since I plan to focus on Blm and only still play Smn since I may as well until I get my Blm Novus to work on. I was planning on trying to spirit bond gear and hope to get all the Det materia I would need for Rank 4 and sell everything else that I wouldn't need to further get more gear to spiritbond.

[Numenor1379]

LOL, just noticed you and I are both on Famfrit. I agree with the spiritbonding thing, as that really does seem to be the only way to get DET IVs for us. Thank you TI.

[Renryuu]

Yeah... if it's not hogging hunts, it's ramping up the price of things so only they benefit. x_x

But that's a complaint best left on Famfrit lol. Yeah, unlike my Smn relic, I'm much more motivated and determined to make my Stardust Rod the best I can, even if it will never see any raid use lol.

[HaroldSaxon]

No it isn't a bad idea. Honestly Harold here is one of those players who abides by theory 100% without regards to real world application.

Theoretically, yes... it is a DPS loss to put Piety on it. However even after all the debate no one has given any hard numbers on how much it costs. In addition having 250 lets you toss a F2 into a Convert along with the Flare. Also remember the numbers are for a static target, not an actual fight where you have mechanics to deal with that potentially can slow down your rotation by a couple seconds.

Do what you want on your Novus, I for one am not paying 750k per DET IV to have an extremely minor DPS increase.

Movement makes no difference on Piety. Tell me a use for F2 in 2nd coil. Or Ramuh. An actual fight with mechanics hurts a crit/det build more than a spellspeed build. Sure you can still get good DPS with crit/det, but you'll get better with spellspeed.

Do what you want on your Novus, I for one am not paying 750k per DET IV to have an extremely minor DPS increase.

Then put accuracy on and be ready for 2.4. Better than putting a useless stat on. Putting Piety on your Novus is not just a theoretical DPS loss, it is also a Real world dps loss. And if you are going to balk at materia prices, then learn to spiritbond. Its not like you've already put in a lot of time into your Novus on the previous stages.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Harold is right.

PIE is not helping appreciably until you can hit 6 fire rotation which isn't even really an increase given that you have to stick a lot of PIE on both your weapon and other melded slots. If you want to make justifications for making a budget Nexus/Novus, that's fine. But don't act like it isn't exactly what it is: budget and not optimal.

[Numenor1379]

Movement makes no difference on Piety. Tell me a use for F2 in 2nd coil. Or Ramuh. An actual fight with mechanics hurts a crit/det build more than a spellspeed build. Sure you can still get good DPS with crit/det, but you'll get better with spellspeed.

Oh geeze this crap again. How many times do I have to tell you that I DO build SSPD? Because you always seem to say I don't. As far as using F2 in SCoB, again I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about with 250 Piety you can use F2 in addition to Flare off of a Convert.

Then put accuracy on and be ready for 2.4. Better than putting a useless stat on. Putting Piety on your Novus is not just a theoretical DPS loss, it is also a Real world dps loss. And if you are going to balk at materia prices, then learn to spiritbond. Its not like you've already put in a lot of time into your Novus on the previous stages.

We've already got stupid amounts of Accuracy on our gear, easily over 500 if you push the ACC stat. I rather doubt Final Coil will be higher than that. With regards to the spiritbonding argument... did you not see my statement above saying that was the only way to really get them on my server? Regarding the real world DPS loss, please actually give REAL NUMBERS. HOW MUCH does losing 8-10 DET (or CRIT or w/e dps stat) REALLY DO?

God dude... read for once. >_<

[Uninstall]

I'll take a 46ss, 23det, 8crit Nexus over what you have anyday though. I still don't see why you choose piety as the stat to cheap out on when you could have easily melded it with crit.

[Zeny]

We've already got stupid amounts of Accuracy on our gear, easily over 500 if you push the ACC stat. I rather doubt Final Coil will be higher than that.

I don't have any body pieces from coil, and after looking at my novus stats I realized I would be short on ACC in T9 even with food. Not everyone can swap out i110 pieces, and rather than use i100 or i90 gear I put 12 acc on my novus. I can go back and easily replace it with more Det and Crit if I really wanted, but having the extra ACC leaves you open to more options for food. If for example you really needed that 6 PIE you could try Pineapple Ponzecakes (I hope the OP read that). Plus, me being i110 it would be a dick move rolling on any additional HA pieces unless I need even more ACC for my SMN (I kite t7 but I haven't cleared). Then I could use the option to swap out a body piece, but I'd still be under 500 ACC on my BLM.


I also agree, Uninstall.