Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[NyarukoW]

Non-sequitur mis-attributes...

Jealous of what? Time spent to get learn to the content is only part of effort. The second part is recruiting your farm static. Somehow you forgot that takes some effort to meet up with people coordinate times etc.

And 3 star synths? Charging gil. I have not trouble with that, just like you need to put in the effort you recruit your static. That stuff does not come for free.

... The party finder as it is now allows you to exclude people you don't want...

So then leave well enough alone and screw it up with the worthless "clearance condition". I am all for leaving things the way they are. But I am pretty sure it does NOT exclude the newbies you hate so much.

... Just like newbies have the right to have a learning party, we have the right to have a farm party. You keep throwing out there that people are lazy if they use party finder to farm....

Make the farm party out of the static you recruited. That is the best way. You DO NOT have right to have the party finder doing it for you. You are lucky when that party does fill. And people that don't have clear have just as much right wanting to farm the stuff as you do.

[Yoninxi]

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Are you really that ignorant? I help new players all the time . I helped my FC through coil one last night/then joined a random T5 learning party, along with countless of other learning parties just to help. Your selective reading skill is amazing.

But the good thing is, I can make a farm party, habe all kinds oft exclusionary comments for The Party, in The Party finder, and boot inexperienced players if they join my party, cause its my prerogative. Check box or not, clear or not, if someone joins my parties and they suck, They are getting booted. Its not fair to the 6 other people in my party to have to baby someone that can't hold their weight when the other 7 can.

[NyarukoW]

... boot inexperienced players if they join my party, cause its my prerogative. Check box or not, clear or not, if someone joins my parties and they suck, They are getting booted....

Anyone say it isn't your prerogative? But you don't need no check box or clear to figure out who is inexperienced or unskilled. That is the whole point. What you need to determine that is to actually go in the instance with them and do it. If they can't dodge, won't stack, die to plumes, kill the spiney, etc. you will know.

....If their posts aren't what they actually believe, it'd take some work to put together points ....

I am not a troll. I truly believe the game should be more inclusive, and my points are not ridiculous, it just that you don't agree and don't like them. A "no newbie allowed" check box a.k.a "clearance condition" is fundamentally wrong.

[Dhex]

NyarukoW: A Rokien Reborn

[Alistaire]

I am not a troll. I truly believe the game should be more inclusive, and my points are not ridiculous, it just that everyone else here doesn't agree and doesn't like them. A "no newbie allowed" check box a.k.a "clearance condition" is fundamentally wrong.

Fixed that for ya. So 99% of people here understand the difference between duty finder and party finder, and what each is supposed to accomplish. Then there's you.

That should be the end of the thread now, yeah?

[NyarukoW]

... So 99% of people here understand the difference between duty finder and party finder, and what each is supposed to accomplish....

I think 100% of the players now that the DF and PF are meant to be used to bring players together. The DF bring them together across servers while the the PF brings people together on the same server. It is a tool for match making. It is not meant to be used exclude player or to hire players. If any the clear sellers are putting themselves up for hire, and it is up the clear buyer to pay them and they certainly have the good business sense NOT to exclude anyone.

Lets just call the "clearance condition" for what it really is, "the no newbies wanted" check box. This is deliberately used to segregate and divide the player base.

.. Each and every player has the RIGHT to decide who they want to play with, jerk or not....It isn't about nice or mean, its about freedom to choose, which we all have.

So player should have the right to join any PF out there, because they should have the right to choose. It would be better if they had the good sense to join the right ones, but the freedom belongs to all players, not just the party creator/host. So the host does not get exclude people. They can talk to them and even try the instance with them, but the host has the kick power to remove people. The PF host no more entitled to quick and easy farms then a random player looking for quick and easy farm clear. Both are equal, and if both are too lazy, they deserve to be together with each other and be stuck in the mess they are in. If you want to farm on consistent basis, do tryouts, recruit form your farm static.

The PF host do NOT need more power, they do do NOT need the system to exclude people for them with a broken "the no newbies wanted" check box, that will never filter out the unskilled/inexperienced that bought their clears, which is really the least of my concern. But more importantly, it will divide up and create segregation in the player base, and it will promote RMT thru clear sellers, and it will be terrible PR for SE.

[Gucci_Charms]

I think 100% of the players now that the DF and PF are meant to be used to bring players together. The DF bring them together across servers while the the PF brings people together on the same server. It is a tool for match making. It is not meant to be used exclude player or to hire players. If any the clear sellers are putting themselves up for hire, and it is up the clear buyer to pay them and they certainly have the good business sense NOT to exclude anyone.

Lets just call the "clearance condition" for what it really is, "the no newbies wanted" check box. This is deliberately used to segregate and divide the player base.

What if they do not want to be together with you if you're a really bad player or you simply do not meet the party's requirements nor read the description properly in PF? If it says no newbies or 100 mythology message allowed, why would you want to embarass yourself? LOL.

I think all your posts are nonsense. They are are based off a delusional world of Final Fantasy XIV: NyarukoW Realm Reborn where you want veteran players to be at your beck and call to carry new players like yourself through content because you do not understand Party Finder's functionality nor want to put in the effort to learn anything.

Keep hoping for your non-exclusion world. As it stands, with or without a clearance required filter, veteran players will still continue to exclude new players in order to get their objectives done. They absolutely have no obligation or little incentive to help new players. If they want to help new players, however, they will do it at their own accord - not because NyarukoW entitlement says they have to

#RealTalk

I would support this idea for two reasons. 1: Players will find their own way of doing this anyway, so it is impossible for SE to stop it (jerks or otherwise) 2: Each and every player has the RIGHT to decide who they want to play with, jerk or not. If they only wish to play with people who have cleared already they have the right to do that. It isn't about nice or mean, its about freedom to choose, which we all have.

^So true

[NyarukoW]

.... If it says no newbies or 100 mythology message allowed, why would you want to embarass yourself? LOL.

I didn't say it, some said it:

Each and every player has the RIGHT to decide who they want to play with, jerk or not. ... It isn't about nice or mean, its about freedom to choose, which we all have.

Which means it applies to everyone, but somehow they quickly forgot about everyone and somehow made the PF host more equal than others. I do NOT advocate anyone embarassing themselves, I sure wouldn't go help some farm party that thinks too highly of themselves. But everyone should have the freedom. If you are too lazy form your farm static, why are you entitled to have people be at your beck and call when you want to farm?

[Hollowed]

So player should have the right to join any PF out there, because they should have the right to choose. It would be better if they had the good sense to join the right ones, but the freedom belongs to all players, not just the party creator/host. So the host does not get exclude people. They can talk to them and even try the instance with them, but the host has the kick power to remove people. The PF host no more entitled to quick and easy farms then a random player looking for quick and easy farm clear. Both are equal, and if both are too lazy, they deserve to be together with each other and be stuck in the mess they are in. If you want to farm on consistent basis, do tryouts, recruit form your farm static.

If you want to blindly argue with these people about your opinion then by all means do it, but don't you dare twist what I said to use as examples; that is called lying and manipulating. Coward.