good bye FFXIV, thanks to the lag, you lost another customer.

[Tiggy]

"SE won't fix my personal internet problems or the problems with the ISP that I'm paying for. I don't understand what to do so I'm going to blame them instead"

You nailed it. I still don't understand why people come here and post. Just quit. SE will notice. The only reason to post here is to make a spectacle of yourself.

The lag is pretty debilitating most times. It's this game because everything else I do and other games run fine without lag.

That doesn't mean anything. There are tons of people in other MMOs having similar problems. It's 100% dependent on where you are physically located and where the servers are physically located. Just because Service A doesn't have problems doesn't mean Services B C and D won't nor does it necessarily make it the fault of Service B C or D. That's not how the internet works.

[Parodine]

I hear you on the frustrations of this. When I go home for school breaks I experience quite a lot of lag with my parent's verizon connection (but it's not my internet, so no need to complain to them of course). But like others have mentioned, SE doesn't have much of a responsibility to this. Gotta talk to the provider. I'll be happy to send out email/sign a petition w/e (not that I think it would do much unfortunately).

I'm sure if it was hitting other people's provider of choice, the roles would be reversed. Having to pay $23-25/month for a MMO isn't appealing to most, I imagine. Hopefully things get sorted out...eventually.

[16bitBounty]

You nailed it.



That doesn't mean anything. There are tons of people in other MMOs having similar problems. It's 100% dependent on where you are physically located and where the servers are physically located. Just because Service A doesn't have problems doesn't mean Services B C and D won't nor does it necessarily make it the fault of Service B C or D. That's not how the internet works.

I live in North America, playing on a North American server. I should be able to play without gigantic lag spikes. Go white knight somewhere else.


I suppose I should clarify. The game runs fine most times but when it lags it's unplayable. Not to mention the 90k errors or the 90002 errors. I can alternately switch to another game running on a server located in germany or france for instance and run just fine lag free. Diablo 3 never lags.

[Clavaat]

and i know how "the internet works"

No you don't.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-at-Peak-Hours

[Tiggy]

Go white knight somewhere else.

It's not white knighting to have basic knowledge of how the internet and routing work in the united states.

I live in North America, playing on a North American server. I should be able to play without gigantic lag spikes.

Your absolutely right. Go complain to ISPs and internet backbone providers like Verizon and Level3 to get it fixed. SE can't do anything about a united states internet infrastructure problem or the greed of the companies that own it. This has been in the news a lot lately especially involving netflix. It also includes all the conversations about net neutrality. This is a much bigger problem than Square Enix's game.

You call me a white knight and yet you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

I suppose I should clarify. The game runs fine most times but when it lags it's unplayable. Not to mention the 90k errors or the 90002 errors. I can alternately switch to another game running on a server located in germany or france for instance and run just fine lag free. Diablo 3 never lags.

Yes, like I said it matters where both you and the server are physically located. This server is located somewhere else in the world. Therefore, the network routes you in a completely different direction than when you're trying to hit a server in Canada. This matches what I said exactly and does nothing more than prove there is likely an internet problem between you and the SE servers in Canada. You should really look into how this stuff works a little.

I'd believe it was a server problem if every player had issues since that makes it a common problem to everyone. If even 1 player experiences zero lag and you do then by the process of elimination I can say something with you, or between you and the server, is at fault. This is basic troubleshooting stuff here.

No you don't.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-at-Peak-Hours

This is a great example of what someone can do to pinpoint their problem and try to actually do something to solve it. More people should learn from this example instead of coming here and complaining to people who can't do anything to fix it.

[Clavaat]

The lag is pretty debilitating most times. It's this game because everything else I do and other games run fine without lag.

Try Team Fortress 2, it's the same issue. If you're a Verizon customer, that's why. They own a bad node and refuse to fix the issue. Do your research before commenting on these kinds of things.

[16bitBounty]

I'll comment when I want, Dear Osric. This is a forum. Your research is really irrelevant. The problems are real and to just go around blaming it on my connection (which works fine) because you want to defend squeenix is a joke. I am not a Verizon customer.

[Tiggy]

I'll comment when I want, Dear Osric. This is a forum. Your research is really irrelevant. The problems are real and to just go around blaming it on my connection (which works fine) because you want to defend squeenix is a joke. I am not a Verizon customer.

You don't need to be a Verizon customer for Verizon backbone nodes to be the problem. Your connection routes through nodes and backbones owned by companies other than your specific ISP. Next time you're lagging really bad check http://www.internetpulse.net/ to see if any connections are in the red. There is a solid chance you're going through it and running a tracert could prove it since it shows you every server hop you make to reach the game servers.

You see we aren't just going around blaming the connection. We have solid hardcore facts, numbers, tracerts, internet health reports, etc to back up this claim. An abundance of information actually from many differing sources. Meanwhile every single claim here that it's the server has nothing more than "but I don't get this in other games" despite the fact that doesn't mean anything at all to anyone who actually understands how the internet works. The only way that would mean anything is if the servers for that other game were located in the exact same place as SE's servers normalizing the location factor.

Yes, the problems are real. I completely agree and I personally get them as well. However, many people use SE as a scapegoat and completely fail to see the real problem and that won't solve anything. Quitting this game won't suddenly force SE's hand to do something they don't have the power to do in the first place. It's misplaced rage, and it won't solve anything.

[Asael]

Verizon FiOS does have some significant lag with this game. Seemingly only this game of the ones I play.

For me, after running a traceroute, I found the geographic issue with a server in Virginia.
I used WTFast (I understand it sucks to have to pay for it, but... It's comparatively not that expensive, and really what other options do you have if you want to play?) and routed it to a server in Virginia. Lo and behold, no lag.
Implying it's not an SE thing at all.

^ This

I was having the very same problem last year. Managed to isolate the issue at level 3 in Chicago, and ended up using a VPN to re-route through Boston to fix the problem (used WTFast for the VPN). The nice thing is WTFast has a 30 day free trial that you can use before you decide to buy it or not. Also it's relatively cheap as you only need the basic package to get the job done at $5.99 per month.

[Clavaat]

I'll comment when I want, Dear Osric. This is a forum. Your research is really irrelevant. The problems are real and to just go around blaming it on my connection (which works fine) because you want to defend squeenix is a joke. I am not a Verizon customer.

An uninformed post truly is the most pointless one. This isn't an opinion you posted, or I posted, it's simple facts. I'm not defending SE, but if it were actually their problem, everyone would be involved. Post your traceroutes and pings to the server and prove to me that it's SE and I would admit I'm wrong. There are several nodes your information passes through to get to SE's server. If any one of them is bad, and they are not directly owned by SE, it's not their fault. Again, not opinions, facts, about how this works.

If it's a node that's owned by your ISP (in Verizon's case), it's your ISP's fault.