ATMA nerfing - An addressal to those who object to it.

[Starvald]

>Atma is not BiS. <snip>

>1300 tokens still takes three weeks. That's essentially the same progression as a typical person working towards Novus with the Alexendrites.
>>People keep saying that they don't want relic to be handed out with minimal effort...

I never said Atma was BiS. I said Atma after all upgrades (which I would hope people would understand as upgrade to Nexus) is best weapon in game only rivaled by High Allagan. But seriously, if someone doesn't have the patience to grind for Atma I would guess they don't make it into Coil 2 either. Because running for High Allagan weapon takes even longer than Atma unless you really really have a lot of luck.

Are you seriously complaining that 1300 token still take 3 weeks to get? Again, if someone cannot wait 3 weeks to be able to buy unweathered (with UATs which nobody ever wants anymore in ST) then I would really suggest that that person should not even think of getting Atmas to begin with because the time to put in and subsequently to upgrade the weapon is certainly more than 3 weeks.

We had the same discussions about relics when Titan was still hard. Everyone and their mothers was complaining that the Titan fight was the only thing making it impossible for them to get their relic weapons and that they have been trying to for ages to get through it...sounds familiar? Maybe because it is very similar to the whining we get nowadays about Atmas. Now you do Titan in DF and it is a one shot most of the time. Back in the days I think the success rate rivaled the drop rate of Atmas unless you had a FC or were really lucky in DF. But trying to run it with PUG...forget about ever making it. Exact same discussion, exact same responses ranging from "get over it" to "i completely understand".

If people cannot get over the fact that they won't get to nexus in 2 days, then maybe they should try for something else or just wait a few more months until SE will lower the requirements. If they gonna quit out of frustration, then I don't think there is anything we can do about it. Because really??? Why do you need Atma and then Nexus so urgently? Unless you are a hardcore raider, every weapon will do its job at the level you are playing. But if it is really something you cannot live without, then i guess you should shoulder your weapon and start grinding because it won't get any better any time soon.

EDIT: Oh and before I forget. After Echo got introduced and Titan got easier, people were still flocking the forums whining about not being able to beat it in DF...so, I still dont't think the whole slippery slope thingy applies to my statements because people will always find something else to whine about once one thing is "improved" or made easier.

[16bitBounty]

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Basically, they're wanting to show off to their friends that they have a cool looking weapon that is hard to obtain but at the same time make it easy to obtain because they're too lazy to obtain it. Gotta look cool, right?

[Malevicton]

I never said Atma was BiS. I said Atma after all upgrades (which I would hope people would understand as upgrade to Nexus) is best weapon in game only rivaled by High Allagan. But seriously, if someone doesn't have the patience to grind for Atma I would guess they don't make it into Coil 2 either. Because running for High Allagan weapon takes even longer than Atma unless you really really have a lot of luck.

Say that to my 2 high allagan weapons and 7/12 atma :P

[16bitBounty]

Say that to my 2 high allagan weapons and 7/12 atma :P

Spend less time doing Coil and more time doing Fates.

[Exstal]

Say that to my 2 high allagan weapons and 7/12 atma :P

I'll raise to 3 High Allagan and 32/36 Atma.

[RiceisNice]

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>Wasn't complaining about the 1300 solderily thing taking time. I was referring to how that's gated by a limit to how much soldierly you can get (and one way to gate relic progression, much like the 300 myths back then). If you really have to be that hostile toward me and read it like that, then you might as well ignore the rest of the post.


>No, the best weapon shouldn't be obtained in a week... yet extremely competent people can breeze through the coils and have RNG shine on them on T9 and drop high allagan weapon (which was BiS for a long while now).

> Again, I wasn't even talking about Nexus, I'm talking about Atma. Me and some people can chew through around 300 or so FATEs and still not see an Atma drop. I ended up with around 75 or so of each Titanshield from OLN and that's excluding the non-kobold FATEs. Again I agree something like this shouldn't be a trivial step or a quick process unless people are actually dedicated to it, which can be said for animus, novus or nexus since you can literally grind it out (and someone getting nexus as early as 3 days after release). Can't say the same for Atma because you're at the mercy of RNG. Someone who gets all 12 within 2 days or 100 FATEs didn't put in more effort than someone who got 12 in 621 now, did they?

>And as for the slippery slopes thing, I haven't seen any topics or complaints about the myth costs of Animus books...so your example is fitting into the slippery slope imo. Titan getting easier is because of it being old content and that people are overgearing it, much like how T9 will be (somewhat) easier when they shove 20% echo and people's waltzing in there with Ilvl 110 regular tomestone gear Was there a direct nerf to Titan that I haven't heard about?

I believe the ATMA wall--and rest of the relic quest-- has served and is continuing to serve its purpose: To make latest installments of the relic weapon rare among the playerbase.

If this is the purpose SE had in mind, then nothing should unfortunately change. Pretty much it's working as intended.

I need citation, but I recall someone mentioning that they had delayed the new step of the relic questline (believe it was Novus) because not enough people had their weapons upgraded (specifically atma and animus)