The connection between the Echo and the Asceans

[HReincarnate]

I still find it hard to believe that the "mother crystal" was drained simply by helping us. Is Ultima really that mighty - the actual fight doesn't really represent his strength well if that's the case....

I'm still not sure what the purple crystal is... Might be zodiark (the statue in 2.3 might just be a symbol of worship/a representation of zodiark). Or it might be a corrupted Hydaelyn.

[ColdestHeaven]

Is Ultima really that mighty - the actual fight doesn't really represent his strength well if that's the case....

Ultima Weapon is supposed to be, lore-wise, very powerful. Ultima (spell) is supposed to be, lore-wise, extremely powerful. It's like saying that a gun is dangerous, but the weapon itself isn't actually deadly - it's the bullet that really hurts. Same as here, Weapon is just a catalyst (as a "primal-absorber") for the spell. Consider what it did to Praetorium, outside of the bubble in which we are fighting Ultima Weapon/Lahabrea. Besides, if the last "DPS check" fails it's still a wipe, whether you are ilvl40 or 110. Now, gameplay-wise...yeah, not so much. However, considering it's main scenario from 2.0 and the last barrier between pre-49 and real endgame, making it too difficult wouldn't have been a smart move.

[myahele]

I still find it hard to believe that the "mother crystal" was drained simply by helping us. Is Ultima really that mighty - the actual fight doesn't really represent his strength well if that's the case....

I'm still not sure what the purple crystal is... Might be zodiark (the statue in 2.3 might just be a symbol of worship/a representation of zodiark). Or it might be a corrupted Hydaelyn.

I think that and combined with Bahamuts release + all the other primals have weakened her. I am sure the Garlean's use of Ceruleum (refined aether) to fuel their Magitek doesn't help either

[PArcher]

One thing that's interesting about this cutscene, this line especially:



Now, "the gifted"...remember the MSQ from 2.1 of a similar (or maybe the same) name? I'm sure he's talking about the PC (you) here. So the Ascians are doing something to make us stronger, and I don't think this is just through "normal" combat. Perhaps we, unknowingly, gain a great deal of strength/power with each Primal we kill? The others were discussing the 5 we've killed before Elidibus enters...and the next piece of dialog is Lahabrea saying that even he is doing everything he can to accomplish this goal (which at the same time is confusing since he spent a very important part of the 2.0 story trying to kill us...) and we know he's been greatly involved in at least teaching how to summon Primals...

Of course, the question is, why is it we need to be made stronger by the Ascians' hands? Are we going to, as of right now unknowingly, bring about the rebirth of Zodiark? And...what is this *final* key and what/where are the rest of them?


I feel Shiva is going to answer a lot of questions for us as she's dying (and hopefully won't get cut short like a certain someone in SCoB). We'll find out soon enough...

[Lethorian]

It might not be that the Ascians are making us stronger, but that they are pushing the beat tribes to summon their primals with more power, hence the HM and EX versions. We are getting stronger as a result, we HAVE to get stronger to face the power of the primals. What does this have to do with anything? The Primals being summond disrupts the flow of aether, which is basically the lifestream of Hydaelyn (The World). The more crystals used to summon the Primals the stronger they are and the larger the effect the summoning has on the aether, which may be what is weakeneing Hydaelyn (The Mothercrystal) allowing her to be corrupted. What Lahabrea might have meant when he said he is doing everything he can is keeping the beast tribes focused on their tasks and perhaps teaching them how to summon stronger versions of their Primals.