Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Yoninxi]

wat

i really hate wasting my daily post limit on some on like you.

So in your world, vets looking for a quick kill are lazy for using the PF for a pick up group, but people without clears and no experience who join those parties are not? If they leech a kill out of that party, do they automatically become lazy when they join another farm party or create one in your world?

If creating a Farm group is lazy, then what the hell are people who bypass learning/progression/clear parties? Hell what is the point of the Duty Finder in your world?

If you going a learning/clear party, you expect to learn? Am I right? You wouldn't want elitist "assholes" coming in the party and abusing the newbies. Am I right?

But If you join a farm party, you should still have to teach newbies? Every time if one so joins? You should have to deal with people with 0 experience wiping the party?

If Thats the case, just remove all description options and all parameters from party finder entries, and just have the default search info.

[Mutemutt]

And it is your logic that is broken. You don't have to teach if you don't want to, but still don't get to exclude people. You can wipe and you can vote abandon, and try someone else. You do NOT get to shortcut this process, nor do you have a right to shortcut this process. If you are using the PF, you are at the mercy of people joining to help you. You are begging, beggars can not be choosers.

And here I was, under the impression that you could set the rules for your own party. If I want a party with 7 whm and 1 pld, I expect everyone that joins to adhere to that rule. Would that be excluding people? Yes. But am I allowed to do that? Yes. My party, my rules; if someone doesn't like that, or just can't do that, they don't get to join.

Honestly, if people are looking to learn or are just trying to clear, they should make their own pf for that; get people of similar situations to join them and some friends (or complete strangers) that just feel like helping to come along. They should not be allowed to join any and every party they want. If someone really wants to join any party and not have to worry about any rules, they can use duty finder.

[Gucci_Charms]

They said opinion. You can't tell opinion from truth.

The reality is this, and I'll quote myself:

You live in a delusional reality and I feel sorry for you. You clearly do not understand the definition of lazy. I guess you must think all veteran players are against you

Thanks for your hilarious post that makes no sense btw, I am going to use it as my Signature now.

[Alistaire]

And here I was, under the impression that you could set the rules for your own party. If I want a party with 7 whm and 1 pld, I expect everyone that joins to adhere to that rule. Would that be excluding people? Yes. But am I allowed to do that? Yes. My party, my rules; if someone doesn't like that, or just can't do that, they don't get to join.

Honestly, if people are looking to learn or are just trying to clear, they should make their own pf for that; get people of similar situations to join them and some friends (or complete strangers) that just feel like helping to come along. They should not be allowed to join any and every party they want. If someone really wants to join any party and not have to worry about any rules, they can use duty finder.

And if you'd posted this 25 pages ago this thread could've been the length it should've been. This is a fine suggestion; there's no reason for SE to not implement it, coding issues notwithstanding.

[Sorciechan]

Well, I'll put in my two cents, before this whole thread gets banned like it should, cause it's getting ugly pretty quickly (then again, this seem more like a whole troll thread anyway, don't even know why I'm bothering, just look at the tags for it). A few ppl had already pointed out that adding a...*ahem*..."no noobs" button won't do much but let those that bought or leeched their way into a clear to come in and ruin you (causing the rest of the community to wonder why SE would even wasted resources on something like that). Not to mention, if SE did try that, it would make it seem like they're catering to the small group of elitists then everyone else, making ppl interested in the game think twice before investing their $15 in it.
Oh and one more thing: @NyarukoW - Hon, you do know you're being trolled big time on here, right? I wouldn't be surprised if the ppl you're arguing with are well known trolls around these forums. Just ignore them and move on.

[NyarukoW]

And here I was, under the impression that you could set the rules for your own party. If I want a party with 7 whm and 1 pld, I expect everyone that joins to adhere to that rule.....

Anyone can be a PLD and anyone can be a WHM. Class selection for party composition is in no way exclusionary like a "clearance condition". Additionally, people can have multiple classes and they can join as PLD or WHM and switch to BRD or MNK easy. A PF creator you have the option to kick. But I've joined plenty of hunt parties where the settings are all messed (due to people joining and leaving) and PF creator is absent minded to correct them, I just join as one and switch to another and there is no issue whatsoever.

The system is not for bringing people together with a common goal, not for people who think they can get things easy. The people that want quick clears come in two flavors, and they all share one trait, they all want things easy which is the goal they stated and share. The system should NOT allow one to exclude the other, they deserve each other.

[Ashkendor]

What you can do farm tryout parties and put in the effort to recruit people. And if they don't meet your need you try someone else. Maximize the opportunity to include as many players as possible. That is the PF working to bring players together.

You clearance conditions will buy you players who bought clears and will still wipe your farm runs over and over.

Right, cause when I want to farm something for a bit with some friends and we happen to be a couple people short, we totally want to sit down and hold tryouts. Perfect! We'll each put up a party with seven slots open and we'll narrow down our list of candidates until we can fill the two DPS positions in our party for a few Levi EX or T5 runs. Heck, we'll do several DAYS worth of tryouts to maxmize participation for what ends up being a handful of runs lasting about 2 hours total. Or we could just, y'know, put up a farm party and kick people that don't meet our skill requirements, i.e. being able to clear the content. You can't farm it if you can't clear it.

As for being wiped by people that bought wins, of course this may happen but it becomes readily apparent when they don't actually know the fight mechanics. At that point we back out, boot them, and replace them.

[Yoninxi]

. Oh and one more thing: @NyarukoW - Hon, you do know you're being trolled big time on here, right? I wouldn't be surprised if the ppl you're arguing with are well known trolls around these forums. Just ignore them and move on.

Oh. The. Irony

[NyarukoW]

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As for being wiped by people that bought wins, of course this may happen but it becomes readily apparent when they don't actually know the fight mechanics. At that point we back out, boot them, and replace them.

And you will have people without clear but with real experience that can do this, and they are kind enough to fill your party so you and your friends can do the said content and you guys just might 1-shot the whole thing. In either case, it is a tryout by default. So leave things as they are and it will maximize the opportunity for people to come together and play together.

The "clearance condition" is only useful for promoting clear sells and indirectly RMT activity. It doesn't solve the problem of finding skilled players. You will need to work with them to find out what they know and what they don't know. There is not magic solution to that. So leave well enough alone.

[Gucci_Charms]

The people that want quick clears come in two flavors, and they all share one trait, they all want things easy which is the goal they stated and share. The system should NOT allow one to exclude the other, they deserve each other.

Quick clear parties have to exclude the new players though. It's the only way it will be a quick clear. 7 fully experienced players with previous wins teaching one player and wiping for hours to familiarize that player with all the mechanics is not considered "quick."

7 fully experienced players with previous wins getting another fully experienced player with previous wins will likely have larger rate of success, resulting in a quicker run.

The system is therefore working properly in excluding the new player from the quick clear party. The 7 fully experienced players with previous wins deserve the other fully experienced player - not the new player.

System working as intended