It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

[Moqi]

And this affects all of you how? Oh wait, it doesn't. But "my shiny" or something.

[Hali]

And this affects all of you how? Oh wait, it doesn't. But "my shiny" or something.

Development time wasted on giving people something they can watch on youtube, which could have gone to something useful.

[Teryaani]

Development time wasted on giving people something they can watch on youtube, which could have gone to something useful.

I don't raid, so from my point of view the next turns of coil are a waste of development time that should have gone toward housing.

How's that sound?

[Kuwagami]

oh! Also, against OP's idea, how could this even tie in with the story? You're a warrior of light and can't even defeat Twintania with a 20% echo buff? Thanks for the offer but I'll find someone else to save the world.

superiority complex much ? Your beloved "Warrior of light" titles hasn't anything to do with the coil to begin with.

What good are 'friends' if you can't be honest? I'm in a static with a healer buddy and if he does something bad, I tell him, and if I mess up, he tells me. I tell my own husband that he needs to improve if he's not doing what he is suppose to.

some just want to play with friends, without the stress of the results. There are no leaderboards in FFxiv. Things should be done for fun rather than for the sake of doing them. Yet again, if your fun is to clear shit, you can go full force at it

I don't raid, so from my point of view the next turns of coil are a waste of development time that should have gone toward housing.

How's that sound?

almost as horrible as the other argument, but this debate isn't even resolved since they added gardening (ain't anyone got time to program that when there aren't enough raids to do ? )


seriously, everyone should be able to find fun in the game to their heart's content

[Teryaani]

almost as horrible as the other argument, but this debate isn't even resolved since they added gardening (ain't anyone got time to program that when there aren't enough raids to do ? )

That's the reason I made it. I don't begrudge raiders from having coil or others having content that I don't play. This game isn't about a single play style and without the variety, none of it would exist. I get sick of the raiders uber alles crap.

[Barboron]

superiority complex much ? Your beloved "Warrior of light" titles hasn't anything to do with the coil to begin with.

In no way have I considered myself superior to anyone in any part of my post. I simply made point that you are a warrior of light, as in most Final Fantasy games. A warrior infused with the light of the crystal....and can't beat Twintania? Now, usually when I see a thread similar to this, it doesn't come down to the specific player's skill. It's more so their willingness to form a party/static and taking a leading role. It's quite common for people to be a little unsure or hesitant to tell someone in a party "Sorry, but we just can't do this with you." because it seems that when someone tries to convey such a truth, they are branded an elitist, even if they are trying to be as polite as possible. When this occurs, it seems more common for the party to just disband instead of dismissing the player until they are ready.

On top of that, T5 has been out for a very long time. There are numerous resources when it comes to learning the mechanics. As for DPS checks, healing, tanking, HP requirements etc., it's quite difficult to not meet these with how accessible i90 gear has become and beyond that with also the echo buff stacked on. Again, the only issue is mechanics.

A common argument to this is that people do not have the time to work and play enough to learn the mechanics, but if a player has been playing since launch and still hasn't beaten T5 and is using the same excuse, how much have they tried to learn? How many videos have they watched? How many questions have they asked to a player of a similar role?

Going into any fight and wiping time and time again is simply not enough to learn. While players may experience the fight, they won't necessarily understand the mechanics and why or how something happens and that's wherein the issue lies. On top of that, if a player comes in with little to no knowledge, as I have seen happen, it means at least 7 people having to spend their time in running them through the fight.

At the end of the day, it's an MMO. It's not meant to be cleared as quickly as your common run of the mill single player story game. If you want your story mode without the challenge, youtube still remains. If you don't find the challenge of the fight any fun, why do it to begin with? That's an honest question. If the only part you are after is the cutscenes and story line, no doubt someone has made it all available somewhere and you won't even need to purchase the game. Although in saying that, there is more to the game then the battle contant. Such as crafting, mini games, RPing, whatever you may enjoy.

[Hali]

I don't raid, so from my point of view the next turns of coil are a waste of development time that should have gone toward housing.

How's that sound?

My eyes rolled so hard they nearly fell out my head. I knew someone would use a tragically bad argument like that.
Just for you though, let me simplify my previous post for you.

New content > Reworked Youtube mode of old fight beaten by over 90% of the player base

You know very well what I meant, and that was a horribly cheap shot.

[Kuwagami]

New content > Reworked Youtube mode of old fight beaten by over 90% of the player base

Please tell me and quote actual numbers on how 90% of the player base beat T9 already.

I would even accept this on T5.

Please allow me to laugh

Making a third version of a fight, just for the people who either don't want to or are too lazy to put time into the game vs new content. I wonder which should take priority.

normal mode => version we know
savage mode => unmodified version, no development time
story mode => damage downed and OH-KO eased/removed

tell me how that "third version" is taking so much time to have. Just some code lines to cut off of few numbers to change. You could also benefit not to belittle everyone not having the possibility to beat coil.

[Hali]

Please tell me and quote actual numbers on how 90% of the player base beat T9 already.

I would even accept this on T5.

Please allow me to laugh

Estimation for come 2.4, considering how T5 went after the echo buff was added to it. We'll know the real figures come FanFest and the census. My money is down on around that mark for people clearing T5.

Oh as a request too, please allow me to laugh at your lack of skill.

I do know what you meant and it was no more cheap than your idiotic, elitist post. Tell you what. Lets do a thought experiment shall we? What percentage of the player base has cleared T5? 10% Maybe 15? Hell, lets say 25%. How do you think this game would be doing if all it catered to was that demographic? Oh right, it would be F2P with minimal support or shut down. What the OP is asking for is a chance to play through it without any reward other than seeing the story. Just like the normal mode primals.

It's hardly an elitist point, (my above point is though, know the difference) I only pointed out that the devs should focus on new content instead of patching unbroken old content.
Ooooh! A thought experiment! My favorite!
Hmmm... It seems that you're off by quite a large margin when it comes to T5 clears. Considering that PF was filled with T5 groups for the first month or two of 2.2 and now it's devoid of them, we're safe to assume that most people have downed T5.



You and OP may see it as wanting to go through the fights with no rewards and easier mechanics, but to everyone who is against this implementation, it's a waste of an already stretched out dev team's time. They should focus on forwarding the game instead of jumping back to cater to people who can't move in time for Twisters or Cursed Voice.

[Teryaani]

It's hardly an elitist point, (my above point is though, know the difference) I only pointed out that the devs should focus on new content instead of patching unbroken old content.

You mean like Savage Coil right? Was I not supposed to mention that? Oh right, that's content for YOU. So that's cool right?

Hmmm... It seems that you're off by quite a large margin when it comes to T5 clears. Considering that PF was filled with T5 groups for the first month or two of 2.2 and now it's devoid of them, we're safe to assume that most people have downed T5.

Got numbers for that? Because without them, I'm not buying it. The few census slides I saw didn't mention coil clears, so I'd like to know where your numbers are coming from.

You and OP may see it as wanting to go through the fights with no rewards and easier mechanics, but to everyone who is against this implementation, it's a waste of an already stretched out dev team's time. They should focus on forwarding the game instead of jumping back to cater to people who can't move in time for Twisters or Cursed Voice.

Here's the thing. You say "waste of developers time" for anything that isn't meant for you. I don't. I'll ask the question another way: What percentage of the game population self identifies as hardcore raiders?