Why is SE so passionate about giving PLD's Critical Hit Rate on their gear?

[Warrlordd]

Forgive me I made a mistake. I thought I was discussing with someone older than twelve.

My sincerest apologies

[SeraviEdalborez]

What is the difference between:
A) PLD doing 100 DPS, DRG doing 350 DPS
and
B) PLD doing 150 DPS, DRG doing 300 DPS

Trick question, there is no difference. You end up with 450 DPS both ways.

Arguing that tank DPS "doesn't matter", for any reason, is lazy. You hold DPS to a high standard, and holding good healers to a higher standard (SCH DPS) is becoming more prevalent. Are tanks exempt because their job is "so hard"? (Spoilers: It isn't. Tanks are super easy crayon-drawing mode.)

Dying as a tank only happens for 1 of 3 reasons:

1) You forgot to pop a cooldown for a tank-killer. Your fault.
2) Your healers sucked. Healer's fault.
3) Mechanic wipes you. Somebody's fault.

None of these are gear-dependent. Parry doesn't help any of these.

[Infina]

So as you can see, I'm in the exact same place that you are, and if we're to go by your mapping theory, it seems that you've been stuck on T8 for quite some time. It will be interesting to see which one of us finish first.

Link says 4/13/2014 for Sleigh Presty. That's over 5 months ago.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Link says 4/13/2014 for Sleigh Presty. That's over 5 months ago.

Not to mention

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...nt/detail/889/

[Sleigh]

So as you can see, I'm in the exact same place that you are, and if we're to go by your mapping theory, it seems that you've been stuck on T8 for quite some time. It will be interesting to see which one of us finish first.

It says 4/14/2014 in the link you posted. Your achievements have not been gotten.

How is that the exact same place as you?

[Mijin]

Link says 4/13/2014 for Sleigh Presty. That's over 5 months ago.

... That's my point, there is no T9 mapping achievement, so unless they joined T9 with a shortcut every time in the last 5 months, they have't cleared T8 in that huge duration of time.

What is the difference between:
A) PLD doing 100 DPS, DRG doing 350 DPS
and
B) PLD doing 150 DPS, DRG doing 300 DPS

I'm going to go with C, those numbers are unrealistic.

Dying as a tank only happens for 1 of 3 reasons:

1) You forgot to pop a cooldown for a tank-killer. Your fault.
2) Your healers sucked. Healer's fault.
3) Mechanic wipes you. Somebody's fault.

Well this is pretty stupid, but rather that going into detail I'll give you one quick example. If a tank takes less damage healers are required to heal less, and as such they have more time/mp to heal others, this lowers the chance of people dying, and increases the overall success rate of the group. Also, mistakes are commonly made, so pretending that they never happen is a fairy tale fantasy.

(Spoilers: It isn't. Tanks are super easy crayon-drawing mode.)

All jobs are of equal difficulty (lol wow). Some fights are easier for some jobs that others, and vise versa. Think before you speak.

Forgive me I made a mistake. I thought I was discussing with someone older than twelve.

My sincerest apologies

Yes because my articulately worded and well written response obviously shows that I'm an adolescent (lol). It's funny that you say that considering in your first post you told me that I suck (paraphrasing), and now you're essentially calling me names. In my opinion your two statements unquestionably suggest that you are a childish.

TLDR: I know you are but what am I. Keep the kindergarten sh*t coming; I love it.

[SeraviEdalborez]

... That's my point, there is no T9 mapping achievement, so unless they joined T9 with a shortcut every time in the last 5 months, they have't cleared T8 in that huge duration of time.

Battle > Raids > In Another Bind.

Try harder.

It's also not possible to get the mapping achievements unless you have beaten the turn; the exit area is an undiscovered section of map. So it is tantamount to a "I cleared this" in 90% of cases.

I'm going to go with C, those numbers are unrealistic.

Well this is pretty stupid, but rather that going into detail I'll give you one quick example. If a tank takes less damage healers have to heal less, and as such they have more time/mp to heal others, this lowers the chance of people trying, and increases the overall success rate of the group. Also, mistakes are commonly made, so pretending that they never happen is a fairy tale fantasy.

Unrealistic in that in our real world scenario I can do 150 at least as MT while DRG can do 400+, yes. I was giving a very pared down example for your benefit.

"Mistakes" fall under one of the 3 categories I listed.

[Mijin]

Battle > Raids > In Another Bind.

Try harder.

It's also not possible to get the mapping achievements unless you have beaten the turn; the exit area is an undiscovered section of map. So it is tantamount to a "I cleared this" in 90% of cases..

That was the entire point of my post (lmfao) are you kidding me right now? Did you even read it? I'm saying that poster is in the same position I am in. They have yet to clear T8, and they're bragging about clearing T7 like it's hard. I didn't play the game for seven months, I came back and started clearing new coil content right off the bat, rust and all. I don't care how many times they've cleared T7, they've got months on me for that content, and I got it on the third try. That person has nothing to assert their authority with. /end of story.

Unrealistic in that in our real world scenario I can do 150 at least as MT while DRG can do 400+, yes. I was giving a very pared down example for your benefit.

Unrealistic because every fight is different, and regardless of how much DMG a PLD does, the difference CRIT makes is negligible, maybe with max CRIT available 10% difference at the most, most certainly (laughs) not 50k dps. SS while adding even less damage, it still adds to both offensive and defensive capabilities. CRIT is the most useless stat you can use on a PLD. If the DMG increase from the CRIT they have available was much more substantial you might then have a valid argument, but as it stands now, it's not worth even replacing what small bonus SS offers in light of our only choices being parry, SS, or CRIT

everything fits into my 3 reasons for dying

We're way off subject, but this sure isn't true. Here are just a few more examples: Lag, DC, gear sucks so they take more dmg, gear is broken, OT uses provoke by mistake, etc etc etc. Have some common sense. It's absurd to be arguing about this. It doesn't even have anything to do with the topic pf this thread. I already told you, even if you have decent healers, and people that hardly ever make mistakes on mechanics PLD's should always focus on defense rather than offense, it makes everyone else's jobs easier, but for arguments sake, those aren't the only three groups of mistakes that kill people.

P.S. It's nice that you know exactly how much damage you do from parsing it, but FFXIV APP is now considered a bannable offense. Third party software is against the ToS, and recently SE have actually started banning people for it. Of course, the only way they can find out if someone is using it is if they blatantly admit it like you just did. Sure would be a shame if some one were to report you.

[Infina]

They have yet to clear T8

Well since you don't understand what that achievement means, here you go

they're bragging about clearing T7 like it's hard.

Where?

By the way, your picture link doesn't work and your log doesn't say anything about Melusine dying, only that you forgot shield oath.

[Marukoban]

Ehhhh I have done T7 and T8 on PLD, and I have no idea what type of connection you're trying to make there. While doing neither did I think to myself, "wow, I sure wish I had more crit!" PLD isn't a DPS. The SS is for using defensive/threat generating skills faster -_-; I didn't sing praises about how wonderful SS is either, I just said it's better than CRIT for a PLD, but so is almost everything... To be honest if you run out of TP you're doing it wrong, there is only so much thread that you need to generate, and there are a lot of other things you can do between rotations, put some stoneskins on your self for example, and take comfort in the fact that SS reduces the cool down of other skills besides 123. Even if you use all the CRIT that the game currently allows in gear for PLD, your damage will still be negligible... Use common sense.

Stoneskins for T7 and T8? If I have to choose between Stoneskin or DPS, I'll choose DPS.
MT casting Stoneskin should not be needed unless the healers suck.
Not to mention there aren't many windows for MT to cast Stoneskin, since most of the time the boss is attacking MT?

Also, getting all classes to 50 and completing relic quests are definitely not proof of skills.
It just shows you play more often.

Edit: Wow OP, you really need to do some research before giving some unfounded accusations.
The person you mentioned has achievement of clearing SCoB 10 times.
You can't get that without clearing T9 (and by default, T7 and T8 as well).
OP if you really have cleared T9 too, you should have achievement of clearing SCoB, which you clearly don't have.
Seems like you don't even understand how the achievement for SCoB works. :/