Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Atreus]

You are attacking other people based on reason that they haven't tried healer on the Frontline, correct? What about you own profile? It is clearly that you you only tried 2 lvl50 job.

Yeah Gor how dare you have all your casters leveled and use SCH in PvP in order to provide valid and credible feedback to a PvP forum about healers. Shame on you.

Like wtf Saviour lol

[WizArt]

My response in red for easy reference.

My comments hardly compare to his in length. My comments are also in a readable format that can be understood by the majority of the people in these forums. Also, why are you assuming I haven't done SCH on FL or Wolve's Den? Btw I'm not attacking people, just you ^w^ I can forgive many things, but arrogance isn't one.

And by that para, can I then assume you are not arrogant? Just because most choose to use American English, doesn't mean, that its the perfect English version. Pray tell, are you able to comprehend and infer what I have written so far?

You have more of a selective hearing problem than I do, because your opinion is all that matters apparently. As I pointed out, it was various reasons that brought about the removal of Cleric Stance, as many others did, and I argue that in loo of taking time to sort the real problem out, SE just flat out gimped certain aspects of the game.

Just because 1000 people say so, doesn't make that a fact. It could even be propaganda, crafted to seem that way for personal agenda, in this case, to take the easy way out and 'riot' against a new standard. Let me give you an easier way out - quit.After all, in the past weeks, we have seen real people quit their citizenship - it is sadly a new lifestyle that many prefer to adopt, instead of working with what you have. There are studies on gamers, because this same group, allows behaviourists insight into the mind of individuals who jump ship. Are they wrong? Look at the current news today - the answer is right there! An argument is only good, with facts, not whining, but facts. When you learn that skill, then your posts will become constructive and not destructive. The statistical table that was linked, is actually impressive. That took time and interest to generate. That is factual therefore constructive. But instead of appreciating a summary and debating on the numbers, the discussion has taken on the tone of personal attacks. BUT I understand your culture, you can do it, but others can't. Now, what is that English word/phrase to define that parameter of behaviour? I wonder.

I've stated my argument, you just refuse to acknowledge it. Your condescending tone is rude and simply childish. And I will post in that question thread you linked. I will place my argument there and i'm sure it will be more readily acknowledged than your one-man crusade to be a total ass and try to say people's opinions don't matter.

Excuse me, you are not childish right? You label forum posters you do not know in person, plus you have no idea of their culture and that is mature? To me, it is not unexpected of a person like you to have done that. However,I have jumped in, because I do not appreciate pot calling the kettle black.

[WizArt]

My reply in red.

Already did. In response to you're little criticism, those two were being stupid and rude over opinions that didn't mesh with their own. I called them out on it.

wow, name calling again. Do you even know the meaning of the word 'stupid'? So again, its FINE when you do it, but it's not kosher when someone else does it. What does the English speaking world call that? Two-faced? Double Standards?

By the by, I've talked to people who play other classes in Frontlines. I ask questions in game when they come to mind, and I learn how to work with other classes to get the desired outcome. I've played BRD in PvP and understand how much of a target they can be since range is a pain in the ass to deal with (SMN is ranged as well). And yet though I know things, there are still some aspects I would be ignorant to. Mayhaps your experience as a BRD varies from the ones I encounter, both on my team and against. They have held up on their own very well when in placement and also in 1vs1 scenarios.

Clap Clap! Give yourself a pat on the back. You are the only person who learns how to work with other classes in the game. Kudos. The rest of the gamers in FF14 do not. BOY, learn how to be a person first. That way, at least your person will not be in a perpetual state of conflict and hopefully you'll actually learn something from your interaction with gamers from a very different part of the world. I have used the word 'hopefully' because generally, people do not change, albeit they may seem to adapt to change in the shorter term. It has to do with predispositions and in a mixer, given living in the real world, acting out in the gaming world, people tend to then loose whatever rational sense they actually had at first. It is far easier to immerse ourselves in a make believe world, isn't it? Where we don't have to be really accountable for the rudeness we spread to strangers.

[Zyphione]

Selective hearing is amazing. Read OP and last 2 pages is also fantastic. This is why most of threads on this Fourm end up with ranting.

OP do not seem as bad as all current day ranter.
Would be easy to discuss gearwork and other thing if people give example? I was wonder why NA section mostly do not have reply or is last to get any reply, only will know when immerse self in environment. Many talk in hypothetical and make many assumption.

Yeah Gor how dare you have all your casters leveled and use SCH in PvP in order to provide valid and credible feedback to a PvP forum about healers. Shame on you.

Like wtf Saviour lol

I do not want disagree with you but Gor not actually very convincing some time because his choice of word make him seen as very special player?
I say this with refer to many of his post where he say other player not good enough but at certain time have go out of hand in his comment and make him look like more negative and unwilling to adapt.

This further proven when he boycott game and say he have not play for his reasons but on the forum still? My understanding is if you do not want to play game and very upset with developer decision in way Gor has voice many of his opinion, he should not be in forum commenting still? His comment have been more negative in passing day than initial day.

Am I right to say this?
His behavior easily constitute as illusory superiority and his opinion might become voided as result of his wording sometime.

[Gor]

I do not want disagree with you but Gor not actually very convincing some time because his choice of word make him seen as very special player?

/jazz hands

I say this with refer to many of his post where he say other player not good enough but at certain time have go out of hand in his comment and make him look like more negative and unwilling to adapt.

well its true. most other players are not good. sorry if that bothers you, but i'm not going to sugarcoat it. and the reason most players in this game are not good is because i believe it is like i said before, SE panders players and does not let them "mature" or allow them to get better as players. SE coddles them by putting out easy pve content and that goes for tanks, dps and healers alike. so they come into pvp expecting the same outcome of just trying to zerg down players like they zerg down the weak bosses they kill, they get #rekt, then come in forums and cry about how op X class is. so most the players are lazy. they don't cross classes, alot of them only have one class. i've had people ask me where do they get their pvp skills from? i've been on FL teams where healers go splat in 2 seconds, even other SCHs. i always see BLMs in arena who don't use Nightwing. Paladins who I have stood beside while i'm getting pummeled, i ask for Testudo or Cover ... most PLDs, not a Testudo or Cover was given that day and i can go on and on with all the other countless nonsense i see most players in pvp doing. however the good players, stand out and i know they will be on point every game. i know i will get a Testudo or Cover. i know i (or the other healers) will get peels. i know that healer won't die, etc and its the same about 20 people on my data center every single time who know their class and it shows. but for those who don't know their class, SE offers no incentive, no perk or anything to entice players to get better at their class, they just spoonfeed the bad by altering the content thus contributing more to their laziness.

and you mean ... unwilling to bend over? there's a difference.

This further proven when he boycott game and say he have not play for his reasons but on the forum still? My understanding is if you do not want to play game and very upset with developer decision in way Gor has voice many of his opinion, he should not be in forum commenting still? His comment have been more negative in passing day than initial day.

incorrect. i am not boycotting the game, the game is boycotting me. i don't logon because i got tired of logging in to play only having to wait 2-3 hours to even actually play. i only do pvp, i have no interest in pve, and since WD is dead, i only queue for FL which often times ends up in being over an hour to even as high as 5 hours i have waited for a queue pop. waiting that long just to play a game is insanity so i no longer login to play. and with SCH now being so boring and streamlined now, and the utter fails who have swamped Maelstrom causing us to lose time and time again, game after game, there is no incentive for me to play anyway. occasionally i have logged on only because my friend asked me to play with him. i am still on an active sub however but with ArcheAge, Diablo III and upcoming Warlords in WoW coming up, i have devoted most of my time prepping to those now, ya know, since i can actually login and ya know, play the sub that i paid for unlike this game where i just pay to wait.

His behavior easily constitute as illusory superiority and his opinion might become voided as result of his wording sometime.

this isn't me being superior, it is the state of the playerbase in pvp on my data center Primal. period and it pisses me off.

[Klive]

What pops into my head reading this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect

[Atreus]

snip or whatever the cool thing to replace quotes with is now

Not really saying I agree with everything any person is saying. I'm just highlighting someone trying to attack another person's credibility and failing hard.

[Divinemight]

Not really saying I agree with everything any person is saying. I'm just highlighting someone trying to attack another person's credibility and failing hard.

Emmmm, if the is about me.... Isn't it he is attacking others by profiling them as non healer first and I counter him with his own profile?

[Atreus]

Except Gor is a healer, and doesn't only have two classes leveled like you said.

[Divinemight]

Except Gor is a healer, and doesn't only have two classes leveled like you said.

Pretty sure I had few heated conversation with him, but if you are holding a solid argument, he won't selective hearing at least.

Tho, I do feel his dedication towards scholar often clouded his judgement.