Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Zyphione]

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I would say you enjoy healer for the experience it rewards? Nice to see 1 person be honest and still enjoy playing healer class!

Over time I have grown thick skin to many who say "change is end of the world" theory or that SqE ruin class because remove stance and they do not want to play PVP any more. Player seem to be able to turn anything into argument even if it make no sense, discussion on stance have been overdone and every reason we see before just being recycle now by future poster so most people tired of repeating self and do not reply as much?

To reply to question you have:
DPS can not kill healer in 5 second even if MRD, real time, because skill CD is 2.5s?
Maybe he use 2 skill but most healer have 5000HP and Regen or SCH shield so not possible to kill before stance switch. DRG use LB1 before and I survive with 4100HP with critical SCH shield buff but without stoneskin.

[Divinemight]

Let's see, I clicked on his name, and his profile was blank. I tried searching his name on the Lodestone, and nothing. How can you prove that he is a healer? Furthermore, clicking on your name results in the same. If you have "video" evidence then show it.

Type FF14 Healer Frontline on YouTube search section isn't that hard. I have no obligation to help you. I posted two videos either in this thread or other thread, look it up yourself, don't expect people to hand you stuff on a silver plate.

Ps. Information beside my avatar means nothing. There is no Windust in FF14 I am pretty sure I am in black Mage set when I logged, but my avatar is showing Paladin

His profile

Gladiator 50 0 / 0 Pugilist 50 0 / 0
Marauder 50 0 / 0 Lancer 50 0 / 0
Archer 50 0 / 0
Conjurer 50 0 / 0 Thaumaturge 26 2029 / 109800
Arcanist 25 7787 / 95200

Your profile

Gladiator - - / - Pugilist 25 86453 / 95200
Marauder - - / - Lancer 15 9994 / 30500
Archer 39 90549 / 304900
Conjurer 50 0 / 0 Thaumaturge 32 62404 / 189600
Arcanist 50 0 / 0

Self explanatory. Good thing that you are stating to lvling bard, you will get to see how fragile they are when they don't have teammates to cover them on the Frontline.

Every time I see your name lately in these forums, you are trying to pick apart the people who are upset with their poor, very poor decision making skills. I believe Kisada sums the situation up very eloquently.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-of-FFXIV-PVP

That post utterly didn't escape 5 points I have listed, all he did is just make it super long. It's contents lack of insighs, you can find similar posts on WoW Fourm everyday. You like it because you are his target audience and his words are what you are looking for. Your judgement is clouded.

Also, if you play on JP servers like I believe I saw you mention, then why are you in the NA forums? From my understanding this whole "Alliance of WHM" spamming Holy was more a problem on JP servers. I've not once seen that in Frontlines
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Do you know how many players are playing On EURO servers but post here? Go check forum rules. Fourm is regulated by the language you use, not where you to play?

What kind of argument is this? I have never got that experience so they shouldn't adjust it?

[Nekomataempusin]

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Awfully presumptuous of you to assume things about him. Furthermore, I really do not care what your elitist views are. This was a bad decision on SE's part bottom line. They can't fix something by crippling a class. That skill is obtained very early in CNJ, meaning you're supposed to use it.

A SCH is important in many ways, due to the fact that it can DPS and Heal. That's what makes it a valuable support member of the team. Taking away a critical chunk of their DPS output weakens them to the point of being a pale imitation of a SMN. Even with Eos, their heal output is still under par with WHM. By removing CS to prevent the "holy spam", they ended up putting all the SCHs in PvP to the guillotine. It only takes a few shitty people to ruin it for everyone else.

Also, I've seen PLENTY of BRDs survive very well on their own.

[Hailie]

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You are not suppose to make any statements! you are not suppose to disagree with what SE did to Cleric stance! you are not suppose to post your opinion!

most of all you are not suppose to disagree with this person!

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you are suppose to let him FORCE FEED what he wants you to believe! and what he says..

How dare you have your own opinion and thoughts about CLERIC STANCE *super sarcasm*

It's a waste of time responding to him.

[Fyce]

That skill is obtained very early in CNJ, meaning you're supposed to use it.

Yes, in PvE.

[Hailie]

Yes, in PvE.

If that's the case then every skill in any class/job is suppose to only be used in PVE and not PVP.

[Fyce]

If that's the case then every skill in any class/job is suppose to only be used in PVE and not PVP.

Yes, but only if you assume that every PvE skill of every class is unbalanced and does not fit in a PvP environment... which is obviously not the case.

Cleric stance, however, was unbalanced in PvP.

[Divinemight]

Awfully presumptuous of you to assume things about him. Furthermore, I really do not care what your elitist views are. This was a bad decision on SE's part bottom line. They can't fix something by crippling a class. That skill is obtained very early in CNJ, meaning you're supposed to use it.

First of all, you are the one being presumpteous of assume he doesnt. Second, by using your logic, it is true that there is no evidence to whether he has played White Mage or not, but one thing I can be ceratain: you are lacking insights for other jobs. Scholar and Summoners are probably only two jobs you have ever played and you are tunnel visioned and unable to see from other jobs' perspective.

As a counter argument to your last statement, in this game where they are using two set of actions for PvP and PvE; they can always can come back to say Cleric Stance is mean for PvE only. All the PvP actions are unaviable to PvE and a lot of PvE players really want these PvP actions. I bet all PvE Dragoon and Monk have been dreaming about it. It does seems reasonable to keep a set of PvE only skills. You can try to prove me that I am wrong.

A SCH is important in many ways, due to the fact that it can DPS and Heal. That's what makes it a valuable support member of the team. Taking away a critical chunk of their DPS output weakens them to the point of being a pale imitation of a SMN. Even with Eos, their heal output is still under par with WHM. By removing CS to prevent the "holy spam", they ended up putting all the SCHs in PvP to the guillotine. It only takes a few shitty people to ruin it for everyone else.

You still can function as usual, but it is just not as pushy as in 2.35. Your EOS arugment is kinda weired. When WHM got shut down, they can only rely on regen. Your EOS is still function with 70% of your potential. This is where my arguemnt based on:



This is not 1990s, you need reference to backup your arugment. A Scholar with MIND setup and MIND gear without Cleric Stance is able to output 80% of a SMN (even this SMN maybe bad) did with just dots. You are still going to funciton as usual.

Also, I've seen PLENTY of BRDs survive very well on their own.

If this is the way you want to play, there are more healers that is fine with Cleric Stance removal and their number didnt change much post 2.38.
No one cares about you keep griefing about 2.38, no one cares. Your biggest issue is to tell others to shut up. This is a discussion fourm for people to show their opinion, agree or disagree. Provide a good argument to show that you are correct isntead.

[Divinemight]

If that's the case then every skill in any class/job is suppose to only be used in PVE and not PVP.

Let's see....

Provoke is PvE only.
Protect is PvE only. (There is animation but it doesnt work, confirmed by CM)
All defense value related actions are PvE only. (Also confirmed by CM)
Yes, there are a lot of PvE only actions.

Paladins pretty much much being guttered to a level that they can barely function as a tank. I didnt see them come up here and complain that it is game breaking.

Oh by the way, you need to be put a little more effort with scarcsm. It is hard to get it because we dont get to see your facial expression and your tone when you are doing it.

[Hailie]

Oh by the way, you need to be put a little more effort with scarcsm. It is hard to get it because I don't get to see your facial expression and your tone when you are doing it.

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Mhhmm Riiiiggghtt no effort needed I'm sure YOU didn't get the sarcasm. ^_^